Used Biesse Intermac Master 33 for sale (5,776)

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2026, CNC Machining Centers Rover Multi Up M C S Working Area*: X = 3280 mm; Y = from 1580 to 1660 mm, depending on work conditions Z = 200 mm – 5-axis machining unit and drilling unit, with vacuum modules H = 74 mm Z = 245 mm – 5-axis machining unit and drilling unit, with vacuum modules H = 29 mm Workpiece Clearance*: Y = 1900 mm Axis Travel*: X = 3706 mm; Y = 2294 mm; Z1 = 515 mm; Z2 = 371 mm VACUUM SYSTEM Subdivision of the vacuum system into 2 working zones and 2 clamping zones in X. Lhsdpfx Ansy Ehrxexjl AUXILIARY VACUUM SYSTEM – 2 zones Allows clamping of workpieces using vacuum templates. Remote Control RM850 Rover Multi Up M C S Panel – Multi Purpose Regular Configuration 2 Compatible with the turret tool magazine with 16 positions and the side tool magazine with 12 positions. The tool magazines can also be retrofitted. Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) for machine PC. 6 ATS workpiece supports – 18 module carriers — 6 aluminium workpiece supports. The positioning of the workpiece supports is via linear guides with ball bearing slider blocks. Clamping is performed on the front and rear linear guides via pneumatic cylinders. Clamping is released by a push button located at the front of the workpiece support. — 18 module carriers, 132 x 132 x H 41.5 mm, with independent pneumatic clamping. The vacuum modules can be rotated in 15° increments on the module carriers; an ideal solution for shaped parts. — 18 covers for module carriers without template. SA (Set-Up Assistant) working table for tables up to 1550 mm. Supported manual positioning system with motion direction indicator and position indicator. — Sensors on each working table and along the X-axis of the working area. — Display of direction and position achieved for the carriage during positioning phase, mounted on each working table. According to the programmed configuration of the working tables, the system indicates the direction of movement for each working table and carriage, and confirms with a green LED and audible signal when the correct position is reached, with a tolerance of +/- 1.5 mm. Subdivision of the pneumatic system into 2 working areas in X. Machining unit with 5 interpolating axes, 13 kWp (17.4 HP), with HSK F63 adapter, liquid-cooled – 20,000 rpm Extraction hood with 12 NC-controlled positions for the 5-axis electrospindle. Flange for preparation of a 5-axis interpolating machining unit for mounting aggregates. Coolant system Additional Z-axis carrier for rear machining units, with independent Z-axis. Drilling head BH 24 L Side tool magazine with 12 positions, integrated into the machine bed. Turret tool magazine with 16 positions, installed directly on the X machining unit. HSK F63 tool adapter, equipped with a long integrated flange, for saw blades on the 5-axis head. Saw blade 300 mm, for tool holder. Hi-Tech tool set Complete set of tools for the acceptance test Consisting of the following 9 parts Replacement of standard PC with a high-performance PC. Digital device for measuring tool length up to 130 mm diameter. bSolid NC-HOPS 8 MacroCAM Rover 1. AV NC-HOPS MacroCAM 1. License WorkCenter suction cup proposal 5-Axis Simultaneous Material removal simulation 12-month warranty period Location: ex stock 54634 Bitburg - immediately available -

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 008127, Position 1: Single Edgebanders BIESSE + FORMETAL-AKRON 1440 A Position 2: Panel Return Systems BIESSE + FORMETAL-AKRON 1440 A Lodpfxew Tq Iwe Anxjhl

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 008601, Max. panel width: 3200 mm Max. panel length: 1000 mm No of Bottom Units: 6 No of Top Units: 4 Lhedpfx Aezbrnhenxol Lateral horizontal groups: yes

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2012, power: 20 kW (27.19 HP), working width: 1,300 mm, number of spindles: 82, plate height: 90 mm, working length: 3,000 mm, The pick-up deadlines specified in the General Terms and Conditions apply. The absolute latest pick-up date is August 31, 2026! TECHNICAL DETAILS Working area, X-axis: 3,000 mm Working area, Y-axis: 1,300 mm Maximum panel thickness: 90 mm Total number of drilling spindles: 82 Drilling units, Unit 1 (top) Spindles for vertical drilling: 31 Spindles for horizontal drilling in the X direction: 8 Spindles for horizontal drilling in the Y direction: 2 Drilling units, Unit 2 (bottom) Spindles for vertical drilling: 31 Spindles for horizontal drilling in the X direction: 8 Spindles for horizontal drilling in the Y direction: 2 Milling spindles Number of milling spindles: 2 Milling spindles, Unit 1 (top) Number of controlled axes: 3 Motor power: 4.5 kW Milling spindles, Unit 2 (bottom) Number of controlled axes: 3 Motor power: 4.5 kW Grooving units Number of grooving units: 2 Grooving units, Unit 1 (top) Unit: Fixed for creating channels in the X direction Max. tool diameter: 160 mm Motor power: 3.5 kW Grooving units, Unit 2 (bottom) Unit: Fixed for creating channels in the X direction Max. tool diameter: 160 mm Motor power: 3.5 kW MACHINE DETAILS Total installed power: 20 kW Machine programming software: BIESSEWORKS EQUIPMENT Automatic panel stacking system with motorized transfer Barcode scanner (manufacturer: SICK) CE marking Protective grating Safety mats Lodpfozf Ibdsx Anxehl The machine is sold and delivered in its actual and legal condition (“as is, where is”) based on photographic documentation and technical/commercial documents with a descriptive nature. The buyer has the right to inspect the goods before pick-up and assumes responsibility for the installation, securing, and use of the machine at the destination. External reference: 8565

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2014, functionality: fully functional, workpiece height (max.): 60 mm, workpiece width (max.): 1,300 mm, workpiece length (max.): 3,200 mm, edge thickness (max.): 3 mm, Equipment: CE marking, TECHNICAL DETAILS Max. feed speed: 24 m/min Ljdpoxw T Tpefx Anxehl Maximum panel thickness: 60 mm Minimum panel height: 10 mm Maximum panel height: 60 mm Minimum panel length: 320 mm Maximum panel length: 3,200 mm Minimum panel width: 150 mm Maximum panel width: 1,300 mm Minimum edge thickness: 0.3 mm Maximum edge thickness: 3 mm Number of working units: 8 UNITS Trimming Unit 1 Function: Sizing Model: RT30 Motor Power: 3.5 kW Max. speed: 9,000 rpm Edge Processing Unit 1 Function: End Trimming Model: IT90-S Number of motors: 2 Max. processing speed: 28 m/min Motor power: 0.65 kW Max. speed: 12,000 rpm Edge Processing Unit 2 Function: Edge Milling Model: RF10 Number of motors: 2 Motor power: 1 kW Max. speed: 12,000 rpm Edge Processing Unit 3 Function: Multifunction Model: AR30 Number of motors: 2 Max. processing speed: 18 m/min Motor power: 0.65 kW Max. speed: 12,000 rpm Edge Processing Unit 4 Function: Profile Scraper Model: RB40 Edge Processing Unit 5 Function: Glue Scraper Model: RC20 Edge Processing Unit 6 Function: Brushing Model: SZ30 Number of motors: 2 Motor power: 0.37 kW Max. speed: 1,400 rpm MACHINE DETAILS Installed total power: 25 kW Dimensions Conveyor length: 12,300 mm Width: 1,300 mm Length: 12,300 mm EQUIPMENT Jointing cutters Multifunction unit Top pressure Pressure via rubberised belts Panel support guide NC positioning Angled panel infeed system Automatic engagement by time Edge preheating lamps Coil magazine Hot-melt glue pot Hot-melt glue pre-fuser Edge pressure roller conveyor Spray unit SINTRA machine programming software Panel discharge via roller transfer conveyor Panel feed via motorised carpet belt Return system for left-side edge bander CE marking

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, Numerical Control XP 600 Working range on X-axis mm 3060 Working range on Y axis mm 1140 Working range in Z axis mm 160 N ° 2 work fields Bar worktop No. 6 adjustable bars for suction cup support No. of pneumatic bakelite bars for panel lifting (?) No. 2 adjustable suction cups for each bar with vacuum seal for fixing the panel during processing No. 1 vertical electrospindle with C-axis 12 kW motor 10-position tool change system - positioned on the drilling head of the machine, ISO 30 type cones BH19L drilling head with 18 spindles arranged as follows: - No. 7 verticals on X axis - N° 6 verticals in Y axis - N° 4 horizontal on X axis - No. 2 horizontals on Y axis - No. 1 independent blade group for making grooves on the X axis Front protection and safety system with photocells Automatic lubrication system (?) Air conditioning system for cooling and cleaning of machine control Vacuum pump mc/h 250 TECHNICAL DETAILS TO BE CHECKED Lhedpfxjv Aacfj Anxel

Condition: used, Technical specifications: - X = 3,060 mm Ljdpfx Aezutqvonxshl - Y = 1,320 mm - Z = 150 mm - Central automatic lubrication system - 6 ATS workpiece supports - 18 bearing consoles - Vacuum system with division into 2 working areas in the X-direction - Pneumatic system for console adjustment - 2 independent working areas in the X-direction - 4 workpiece supports - 12 clamping devices for clamping narrow workpieces - Conveyor belt for removing chips and cutting waste - Vacuum pump, 90 m³/h - 12 kW electric spindle with ISO 30 tool holder, air-cooled - The machine is additionally equipped with an integrated rotary unit that is integrated into the machine control system and functions as a 5th axis for drilling operations at different angles. - Tool changer with 10 tool positions - Manual laser barcode scanner Drilling unit BH 21L - 7 + 7 vertical drilling spindles - 6 horizontal drilling spindles (4 in the X-direction, 2 in the Y-direction) - 1 grooving unit (saw blade) in the X-direction

Condition: good (used), Code: 0318 Brand: BIESSE Model: F 39 E - CE Standard Electronic multiple boring machine with 39 spindles for furniture, carpentry, custom-made furnishings, panels, kitchens, bathroom furniture, doors,window frames, and various - CE Standard Suitable for horizontal and vertical drilling, any intermediate drilling between 0 and 90° can be performed thanks to a gear motor and handwheel. Electronic control Technical data: N° 39 spindles Spindle rotation speed 4000 rpm Center distance between spindles 32 mm Max drilling center distance 1216 mm Drilling depth 65 mm Drilling head motor power 2,3 + 2,3 Hp Air operating pressure 6 bar Installed electrical power 4,1 Kw Overall dimensions mm 1800 x 1140 x 1600 h Weight kg 700 Lsdpfx Aoy Tt Rponxehl MACHINE SOLD UNDER THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH IT IS FOUND NOT RECONDITIONED

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2020, functionality: fully functional, - Milling spindle 2 x 3.5 kW - Upper and lower drilling heads - Dado saw - Barcode reader Used machining center Manufacturer: Masterwood Type: MasterDrill TF 600 SA Year of manufacture: 2020 With the TF 600 SA machining center, panels can be processed one after the other in various sizes without interruption from all 6 sides. The workpieces are transported along the X-axis by means of two independent grippers. The grippers are NC-controlled and also serve as a reference stop for aligning the workpieces. They are also equipped with a device for automatic measurement of the workpiece thickness. Max. feed rate of the grippers: 130 m/min. Minimum and maximum workpiece dimensions: - Workpiece thickness: 8 ~ 60 mm - Workpiece length: 400 ~ 2500 mm Lsdpfozux T Nex Anxehl - Workpiece width: 400 ~ 950 mm Drilling heads: - The drilling heads are manufactured in one piece from an aluminum alloy. Two drilling heads process the workpiece from above, one from below. This drilling head arrangement makes the TF 600 SA a versatile machine with high drilling performance. Upper drilling heads: - Vertical drills in X direction: 7+7 - Vertical drills in Y direction: 5+5 - Horizontal drills in X direction: 2x2 + 2+2 - Horizontal drills in Y direction: 2+2 Lower drilling head: - Vertical drills: 3x3 Dado saw: - A dado saw mounted on the upper drilling head near the stop allows grooves to be cut in the X direction (maximum diameter of the saw blade = 125 mm). Grooves can be cut from a minimum of 55 mm and a maximum of 850 mm. Milling spindle 2 x 3.5 kW: Technical data: - Maximum power: 3.5 kW - Maximum speed: 18,000 rpm - Clockwise/counterclockwise rotation - Operation via inverter - Tool holder ER 25 - Air cooling The positioning accuracy of the units is +/- 1/10 mm Automatic workpiece discharge: Motorized conveyor belt with sensor control. CNC and software: - The machine table is fully controlled by NC and guarantees continuous fixing of the panels in all working positions. All movements are designed to enable the widest possible support surface on the workpiece. Clamping devices are activated depending on the work unit. The table is equipped with an NC-controlled side alignment device, which ensures perfect alignment of the workpiece panel. Masterwork: - Masterwork enables the machine operator to quickly and easily program. The software can import the most important data formats such as DCF and XML. Master Drill: Human-machine interface for managing operational activities (maintenance/setup). Trepan: An interface that the operator uses for manual and setup operations. Barcode reader: - Motorized roller conveyor for feeding workpieces into the infeed. - CAM start software package for Masterwood TF 600 SA - Automatic barcode scanner at the infeed Note: The technical data and descriptions are transcripts from the original order confirmation. Data is for informational purposes only and is not binding.

Year of construction: 2004, condition: used, An INDEX CNC lathe with counter spindle and IEMCA bar feeder is offered. Main spindle bore: 65mm, max. spindle speed: 7000rpm, axes: 4, live tooling: possible, tool system: VDI25, spindle operating hours: approx. 80000h, control: Siemens 840D. 2) Bar feeder: IEMCA Master 880/MP 33 L, Year of manufacture: 2004, max. bar length: 3300mm, round bars: 8mm-80mm, hexagonal bars: 7mm-65mm, square bars: 10mm-50mm, max. bar weight: 120kg, min. remnant length: 110mm, bar feeder weight: approx. 1350kg. Including chip conveyor. Machine was continuously maintained. The machine is available from October. Documentation available. Inspection possible by arrangement. Lodpfx Aozu Sz Tsnxshl

Condition: excellent (used), Numerical Control Type NC 400 Through-feed motorized conveyoring belts (No.) 2 Lsdpfszk Euljx Anxjhl Horizontal units/supports (No.) 2 Drilling heads for each horizontal unit (No.) 2 Splindles for each horizontal drilling head (No.) 10 Max. working width (mm) 3200 - Min. working width (mm) 205 (ca.) Bottom vertical units/supports (No.) 4 Drilling heads/blocks for each bottom vertical unit (No.) 2 Vertical top pressure clamps (No.) 2 Digital quota (axes) display Total installed power (Kw) 23.7 The CNC controls the movement (X axe) of the mobile horizontal unit The CNC controls the movement (Y axe) of the stops

Condition: ready for operation (used), A CNC double-spindle lathe Hyundai with a new bar loader Iemca (Bucci) is available. 1) CNC lathe Hyundai HD2200 SY, turning diameter: 300mm, turning length: 610mm, spindle passage: 65mm, speed: 4000rpm, power: 18.5kW, chuck size: 8 inch, counter spindle passage: 52mm, speed: 6000rpm, chuck size: 5 inch, Y-axis: +/-55mm, tool positions: 24, rapid traverse X/Y/Z: 24m/10m/30m/min, operating hours: 3330h, manufactured parts: 44478. 2) Bar loader Iemca (Bucci) Master 865/33/Mp, year of manufacture: 2023, round bar diameter range: 8mm-65mm, hexagonal bars: 7mm-55mm, square bars: 10mm-45mm, bar length range: 800mm-4300mm, remaining piece length with diameter below 65mm min./max.: 110mm/400mm. Documentation available. On-site inspection is possible. Lsdpfsvu Ddwsx Anxjhl

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2001, I sell the Stacking device BIESSE RBO MAGNUM, year 2001. Stacking device one side feeding / also suitable for pallets. Ljdpfjxyag Uox Anxohl Vacuum-System (including pump) Automatic loading. Infeed table motorised band-system Infeed tables motorised roller-system on the floor (2 channels) Outfeed table front Band-system Security fence system fully complete ! Total power 25kW Year 2001. Available immediately. Ready for work.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2016, machine/vehicle number: 1000012445, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 3,600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,800 mm, overall weight: 4,000 kg, TECHNICAL DETAILS Working area X-axis: 3,600 mm Working area Y-axis: 1,800 mm Number of working zones: 2 Tool change positions on the rear: 16 Tool change positions on the machine: 8 Vacuum pump: 250 m³/h Drilling head BH 10 configuration: 15 vertical spindles on the X-axis 17 vertical spindles on the Y-axis MACHINE DETAILS Electrospindle power: 13.2 kW Electrospindle type: ISO 30 Ledpsydk Aijfx Anxshl Control: CNC with B-Solid software Weight: 4,000 kg EQUIPMENT Nesting work table Automatic loading system with side lift table Label printing system with automatic application on the loading table Panel separation system with suction cups Automatic unloading system with motorized conveyor belt Worktable cleaning system Protection and safety system with perimeter fencing Safety system with bumper Automatic lubrication system Air-conditioning system for cooling and cleaning the machine control unit

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 008247, Type of edging: Thin edge, Thick edge Gluing System: PUR Premilling Unit: yes Corner Rounding Unit: yes Grooving Unit: yes Max feed speed: 25 m/min Maximum panel thickness: 60 mm Lhedpfx Anjzbrn Usxol Operating Units: 9 nr

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, Working area X: 3640 mm Working area Y: 1342 mm Part clearance: 180 mm 12 kW C-axis electrospindle, ISO30 mounting Drill bits for vertical drilling: 24 Drill bits for horizontal drilling X: 6 Drill bits for horizontal drilling Y: 4 Saw blade for grooving in the X direction 12-position revolver tool changer Work table with 6 rails with EPS automatic positioning of the rails, vacuum cups Lhedpozmff Nofx Anxjl Chip conveyor belt 1 vacuum pump with a capacity of 90 m3/h Safety mats Approximate weight: 4000 kg. Includes 3 aggregates (for door milling, mortising, etc.), vacuum cups, and some Uniclamps. Only 1406 operating hours on the 4-axis electrospindle, and 831 hours on the drilling unit. Available from January 2027.

Condition: not inspected (used), Year of construction: 2016, functionality: unexamined, edge thickness (max.): 22 mm, rotational speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, Equipment: CE marking, The machine has the following configuration: Pre-milling unit Automatic, timer-controlled intervention and positioning via NC Edge preheating lamps Edge band magazine Glue pot for EVA hot-melt adhesive Premelter for EVA hot-melt adhesive QM-705 End trimming unit IN-801 Number of motors: 2 Top and bottom flush trimming unit RS-100 Number of motors: 2 Motor power: 2 kW Lodpfjyxndbox Anxjhl Speed: 12,000 rpm Fine finishing and contour trimming unit RF-100 Number of motors: 2 Motor power: 2 kW Speed: 12,000 rpm Corner rounding unit AR30 Number of motors: 2 Motor power: 0.8 kW Speed: 12,000 rpm Automatic, timer-controlled intervention End cutting unit RB02 Positioning by NC Glue scraping unit RCC-701 Polishing unit SP-501 Number of motors: 2 Motor power: 0.25 kW Spraying unit LPT-700 TECHNICAL DETAILS Panel height min: 10 mm Panel height max.: 60 mm Edge thickness min.: 0.4 mm Edge thickness max.: 22 mm MACHINE DETAILS Total connected load: 22 kW EQUIPMENT Feed pressure with rubber belt Panel support guides with NC positioning CE marking The machine is sold and delivered as is (“as seen and approved”) based on photographic documentation and technical/commercial documents of a descriptive nature. The buyer has the right to inspect the goods prior to collection and assumes responsibility for installation, securing, and use of the machine at the place of destination. External reference: 7673

Year of construction: 2019, condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, 2 x Videojet Laser Marking Systems for date/batch coding and marking with 1 x AD Oracle laser fume extraction system. Date of manufacture - 2019. The marking of the product surface is performed by the effect of intense laser radiation on the product material. The laser beam is focussed onto the product surface and heats up the topmost layer of the material, which causes a color change or a vaporization of the topmost dye layer. Laser Marking System model – 3340 IP54 LASER MARKING SYSTEM. Laser Marking System serial numbers - V1098/498 and V1908/499. Lhjdpfx Ajzyu Igonxsl Laser Marking System electrical requirements - 100-240 V / 50-60 hz / 1 phase. Fume extraction system model - AD Oracle. Fume extraction system serial number - 50067797003. Fume extraction system electrical requirements - 115-230 V / 50-60 hz - 1 phase.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2001, I sell the Destacking device BIESSE RBO WINNER SC, year 2004. Ljdpexyah Sjfx Anxohl Destacking device one side feeding / also suitable for pallets. Vacuum-System (including pump) Automatic loading. Infeed table motorised roller-system Outfeed tables motorised roller-system on the floor (2 channels) Security fence system fully complete ! Total power 24kW Year 2004. Available immediately. Ready for work.

Year of construction: 2001, condition: ready for operation (used), Biesse Rover 22 CNC machining centre Year of manufacture 2001 SN 07498 Working range 4 axes X-axis 3060 mm Y-axis 1080 mm Z-axis 155 mm 6 consoles with 18 vacuum cup holders 4 pneumatic bakelite bars for lifting the platen Vertical electrospindle 7,5 kW with automatic tool change, ISO 30 taper Automatic tool change 7 positions on the working head Lhodpfx Aneggxihexol Drilling head with 20 spindles arranged as follows: 7 vertical in X-axis 7 vertical in Y-axis 4 horizontal in X-axis 2 horizontal in Y-axis Grooving saw 120mm Safety tread mats 110 m3 / h vacuum pump CE marked Weight 3500 Kg Technical specifications subject to change

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2014, machine/vehicle number: 89867, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 3,765 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,875 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 324 mm, number of slots in tool magazine: 12, overall weight: 4,000 kg, TECHNICAL DETAILS Working area X-axis: 3,765 mm Working area Y-axis: 1,875 mm Working area Z-axis: 324 mm Table length: 3,600 mm Table width: 1,800 mm Tool holding system: HSK-F63 Tool changer positions: 12 positions MACHINE DETAILS Number of milling spindles: 1 piece Weight: 4,000 kg Transport packages: 1 piece EQUIPMENT Flat table BiesseWorks system/software Safety mat Lhodjy Nxybspfx Anxjl Drilling tool included Saw unit included Labelling machine Loading system Unloading system

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2015, Elro DBKGN33-EDS90 Bratt pan Lodpfx Anez Dxn Njxohl 2015, multifunctional pressure pan, stainless bratt pan, 164L capacity, tilting to discharge, adjustable controls, 3ph

Condition: good (used), LINE BORING MACHINE BIESSE TECHNO 7, CE DESCRIPTION: - No. 5 lower vertical groups - 10 spindles for the vertical drilling heads - 2 (1+1) horizontal groups - 20 spindles for the horizontal drilling heads - Working area on the "X" axis: 3200 mm - Min. drilling distance between the vertical groups on the "X" axis 96 mm - No. 2 belt conveyors, 1 fixed and 1 adjustable according to the width of the panel - No. 2 pressers - Automatic adjustment of the bottom stop heights from the control panel - 3 lower vertical groups - Adjustment via electric selector with display of the "X" axis position of the vertical groups - Automatic adjustment from the numerical control of the "X" axis position of the mobile horizontal group Ljdpjvn Rkwefx Anxshl - CE standards

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2019, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 1000030194, table length: 4,500 mm, table width: 3,000 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Table dimensions: 3000 x 4500 mm Lhsdpfxjx Trm Aj Anxsl MACHINE DETAILS Supply voltage: 400 VAC Rated current at full load: 5.04 A Number of supply phases: 3 Power: 2.7 kW Frequency: 50 Hz

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 007803, Max. panel width: 3200 mm Max. panel length: 1000 mm No of Bottom Units: 4 Positioning of Units by NC: yes Lodsyhbhwspfx Anxohl Lateral horizontal groups: yes