Used 8.60 Bongard for sale (70)

Condition: excellent (used), - Brand: BONGARD - Model: 8.62E - External dimensions: 1430x1930x2220 mm Ljdpfjwxmgnsx Adtshf - Tray size: 600x800 mm - Capacity: 150 baguettes - Electric - Power: 56 kW - Voltage: 400 V

Condition: excellent (used), - Brand: BONGARD - Model: 8.63E - External dimensions: 1430x1930x2220 mm - Tray dimensions: 600x800 mm Lsdpfx Aowxmgbjdtshf - Capacity: 150 baguettes - Electric - Power: 56 kW - Voltage: Three-phase

Condition: excellent (used), - Brand: BONGARD - Type: 8.63E - External dimensions: 1430x1930x2220 mm - Support dimensions: 600x800 mm - Capacity: 150 baguettes - Electric - Power: 56 kW - Voltage: Three-phas Ledpfx Adowxmf Rotohf

Condition: used, - Dimensions LxWxH: 1441x2830x2682mm - Deck dimensions: 800x1800mm - Baking surface: 5.8m² - Without integrated loader or proofer - 4 ports - 4 decks Lhedpfew Imi Hex Adtsf - Ergocom control, 1 control per deck - Voltage: 400V - Power: 32.8kW - Weight: 1797kg - Top and bottom decks: 20mm thick refractory material on the sole - ROC orion EvO deck 1x800mm - Sole and vault in 20mm thick refractory material, 13mm refractory tiles on sides - Interior lighting - High-performance stainless steel heating elements - Integrated heating element protection system in the vault - Independent steam device with water doser for each deck - Pressure reducer - Steam distributed from the rear of the baking chamber, "anti-splash" water diffuser for bread.

Condition: good (used), functionality: fully functional, Bongard Hydraulic Dough Divider Baguette Dough Divider Automatic dough dividing and moulding 10/20 dough divisions Space-saving design Versatile use Output: 900 to 1,250 pieces/hour Connection: 400V, 16A CEE plug Ljdpfx Aeytzwisdtehf Dimensions: 530 x 690 x 1140/1860 mm (W x D x H) Used machine Visit our large bakery machinery stock!

Condition: used, - Dimensions (LxWxH): 1020 x 750 x 670 mm Lhedpoym Sbfsfx Adtsf - Capacity: up to 1,500 dough pieces/h - Power: 0.55 kW - Voltage: 400 V - Weight: 135 kg

Condition: excellent (used), 4 Fermentation tunnels composed of: - Serial No.: 930 fermentation tunnels: - Chamber type: BFC - Trolley dimensions: 600x800 - Number of trolleys per tunnel: 6 - External chamber width: 4,330 mm - External chamber depth: 5,350 mm - Usable chamber depth: 5,200 mm - Usable cell width: 1,000 mm - Door frame type: single door 1,000 mm Lhsdjwxymhepfx Adtjf - Evaporator side: Right - OPTICOM control - BFC electric connection: 400-440V / 3PH + N + PE / 50-60Hz - Tunnel chamber type: Yes

Condition: like new (used), Almost as brand new Bongard Orion oven. This machine was only used for a few months in a London shop. Very rare opportunity to buy one in such nice condition and at such a good price. Lhodstu Nv Uspfx Adtsf

Condition: used, - Dimensions: 735x1530x1620 mm - Total capacity: 300 L - Flour capacity: 125 kg - Dough capacity: 200 kg - Serial number: 06.00043 Lsdjyg Er Djpfx Adtshf - Stainless steel bowl - Year: 2006 - Electronic control - Transparent lid - 2 speeds - Voltage: 400 V - Power: 8.4 kW - Weight: 700 kg

Year of construction: 2008, condition: used, Bongard baguette line Bongard divider with double piston Bongard intermediate cabinet Ljdpfoc Utgwjx Adtshf Bongard long moulder with table Connection: 16 Ah Hourly output: 1,600 pieces Top condition and ready for immediate use

Condition: used, - Bongard 8.64 MG Series 4 - External dimensions: W 1440 x D 2700 x H 2600 mm - Baking chamber: W 680 x H 1900 mm - Rotating rack: 600 x 800 mm, 19 levels - Baking capacity: Up to 152 baguettes per batch - Rack rotation diameter: 1120 mm - Total baking surface: 9.1 m² - Heating capacity: 70 kW - Connection power: 0.18 kW - Maximum temperature: 280°C - Lifting mechanism: Rack with automatic lifting - Gas burner included for fast and even baking - Opticom electronic controls for precise baking parameter management - Pulsed steam injection, ideal for crispy and golden breads Lsdpfxjwr T Edj Adtehf - Ergonomic handles and controls positioned on the right for easy operation - Fresh air intake at burner for optimal performance - Voltage: 400 V / 3-phase - Weight: 1390 kg - Serial number: 930000015837 - Year of manufacture: 2014 Bongard 8.64 Series 4 Rotary Rack Oven – Gas or Oil Fired – Used A Compact Solution for Efficient and Uniform Baking Lrjy Tdewr T Edjxugsr Discover the Bongard 8.64 Series 4 Rotary Rack Oven, an outstanding second-hand solution offering both compactness and high performance. Designed to meet the needs of demanding professionals, this oven is ideal for maximizing production efficiency while optimizing your bakery space. Superior Performance for Even Baking The Bongard Series 4 Oven stands out thanks to advanced technologies that ensure uniform and top-quality baking: - Soft Flow Ventilation: This technology provides gentle, uniform air circulation, perfect for baking delicate goods such as fine pastries and rolls. Thanks to even heat distribution, your creations will remain intact and achieve ideal baking results. - Efficient Steam System: Equipped with structured cast iron gutters, the oven produces high-quality steam to improve the development of your bakery goods. For greater needs, optional ESG steam units can boost steam production capacity, ensuring optimal performance. Durable and Practical Design The Bongard 8.64 Series 4 Oven is built to withstand the rigors of intensive production environments while providing excellent user comfort: - Robustness and Longevity: Fitted with a high-performance refractory stainless steel heat exchanger and a reinforced base, this oven is engineered for outstanding durability. Electric elements are rigorously selected for maximum service life. - Simplified Maintenance: The seamless stainless steel baking chamber facilitates cleaning. Features such as the raised-edged floor and retractable steam units minimize residue accumulation. The listing was translated automatically. Translation errors are possible.

Condition: used, - Dimensions: 2150x1330x2100 mm - Door dimensions: 1010x1900 mm - 2 trolleys 600x800 or 800x800 - Serial number: 10130992 - Year of manufacture: 2005 - Voltage: 400 V Lhsdpfx Adex Arzcetjf - Frequency: 50 Hz - Operating temperature: 32°C - Heating capacity: 2.5 kW - Cooling capacity: 2.99 kW - Weight: 420 kg

Condition: excellent (used), - Brand: BONGARD - Model: 8.62E - External dimensions: 1430x1930x2220mm - Tray dimensions: 600x800mm - Capacity: 150 baguettes Lhedpowxmghefx Adtef - Electric - Power: 56 kW - Voltage: Three-phase Refurbished equipment: The equipment is prepared upon order; collection and return dates are agreed at that time (please request the price after refurbishment)

Year of construction: 2016, condition: like new (used), functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 9300000000044570, BONGARD PANEOTRAD Dough Divider. This is a new divider that has only been used as a demonstration model at trade shows. PANEOTRAD is a unique, patented process for dividing and shaping pieces of dough. It replaces three machines (divider, rounding machine, and proving cabinet) and replicates traditional manual shaping. Thanks to three forming dies, you can create up to six different shapes simply by combining the cutting molds. With PANEOTRAD, you will be able to consistently deliver high-quality bread and pastries—both savory and sweet—regardless of the dough type: traditional, multigrain, brioche, donuts, shortcrust pastries, etc. Advantages: * Exceptional product quality for baked breads * Time savings in the production process * Just-in-time production possible * Wide variety of shapes: * 30 available forming dies * More than 60 possible shapes * Simple and ergonomic operation * Improved working conditions Lhedpfxeyk Tmws Adtsf * Compact footprint, fits even the smallest bakehouse spaces * Easy cleaning * Significantly reduces the spread of flour dust

Condition: new, overall weight: 58,000 kg, Year of construction: 2026, Low loader semitrailer MAX100 4 A 8.60 U Technical data Speed 80 km/h Total weight 60,800 kg Fifth wheel load 18,000 kg Axle load 42,800 kg Empty weight Payload Gooseneck length 3,850 mm Fifth wheel height loaded 1,250 mm Loading area length 8,600 mm Extendable by 5,400 mm Axle spacing 1,360 mm Rear steering radius 2,300 mm Loading height with max. load 860 mm Total width 2,540 mm Suspension travel -55/+145 mm Technical description Gooseneck With bevelled corners at the front 45° and with rear bevel of approx. 760 mm x 10° 3 pairs of lashing rings (LC 5,000 daN) Hardwood flooring 30 mm thick Lodsg Sk T Djpfx Adtshf Loading area in extendable version with rear slope of approx. 1,000 mm x 8° 5 pairs of lashing rings that can be folded outwards (LC 5,000 daN) 3 pairs of lashing rings that can be folded outwards (LC 10,000 daN) 1 pair of lashing rings lying in the front of the loading area (LC 10,000) Hardwood flooring approx. 48 mm thick, checkered plate above the axles Ramps Two-part steel ramps A pair of galvanized two-part steel ramps approx. 2750 +1400 mm x 800 mm with approx. 48 mm thick hardwood flooring Ramp with hydraulically foldable and retractable ramp parts, hydraulic lifting mechanism and hydraulically movable. Maximum load per pair 40,000 kg Tires 235/75 R 17.5 Brake system in accordance with EU regulations with EBS-E (4S3M) without connecting lines to the tractor unit Paintwork First-class, long-lasting corrosion protection of the standard shot-blasted welded frame guaranteed by 2-component zinc dust primer a high-quality 2-component (2K) top coat in a single color in RAL colors of your choice Rear section metallized and painted in RAL 9010 (pure white). Seat supports: JOST seat supports (mechanical) with 2-speed gearbox for 24t lifting load (50t test load) Steel construction made of high-strength fine grain steels. Steel qualities: Steel construction made of high-strength fine-grain steel S355J2+N/S355MC (yield strength 355MPa) S690QL/S700MC (yield strength 690MPa) Electrical system in accordance with EU regulations, lighting LED 24 Volt ASPÖCK-NORDIK (ASS3) ASPÖCK-UNIBOX on the connection panel at the front with sockets 24N, 24S & 15-pin. Connection in accordance with ISO. 24N IS0-1185 24S IS0-3731 15-pin IS0-12098 Accessories included: A galvanized steel front wall approx. 400 mm high. 2" kingpin 4 pieces of brake shoes with holder on the bulkhead. A holder for a rotating beacon at the rear of the trailer. SAF axles, two axles rigid, one axle with self-steering, air-sprung, with drum brake, with lifting/lowering function. The self-steering axle with electro-magnetic reversing lock can be activated via reverse gear or manually. Axle tool. Holder in the rear area of the gooseneck for aluminum loading ramps. Galvanized folding supports under the slope of the loading area. Mechanical locking of the loading area. A spare wheel with holder in front of the bulkhead. Yellow reflector tape in accordance with EU regulations on the side, on the extension and at the rear of the trailer. Yellow-red air couplings on the galvanized connection strip at the front. On the gooseneck and on the rear panel on the left and right there is a holder for the warning signs including a socket. A mud flap at the rear of the trailer. Manual and description On the gooseneck, plug-in aluminum side walls and rear wall approx. 2,440 x 400 mm (LX H). The rear galvanized plug-in stanchions are removable. Length of the body approx. 2,560 mm, +/- 46 kg 3 pairs of WADER container

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2014, operating hours: 3,156 h, load capacity: 1,400 kg, lifting height: 8,600 mm, free lift: 2,840 mm, load center: 600 mm, fuel type: electric, mast type: triplex, construction height: 3,400 mm, battery capacity: 620 Ah, remaining battery capacity: 80 %, battery voltage: 48 V, fork length: 1,150 mm, drive type: Elektro, Reach Truck Load center: 600 mm Mast type: Triplex Condition: Refurbished without warranty Technical condition: Very good Front tires type: Vulkollan Front tires condition: 80 - 100% Rear tires type: Vulkollan Rear tires condition: 80 - 100% Battery voltage: 48V Battery capacity: 620Ah Battery manufacturer: 80% remaining capacity Battery type: PzS Battery year: 2020 Battery condition: 80 - 100% Description: Condition: Overhauled, serviced, and inspected according to FEM 4.004 (UVV). Completely repaired, serviced, and checked – without any warranty. Subject to prior sale. Documentation: Operator’s manual and inspection logbook. Rental – including long-term rental – available at attractive rates. Contact us for more information. Sale only to commercial customers (without warranty). Subject to prior sale or rental. Our general terms and conditions apply. The quoted price is subject to VAT. Lhedpfx Ajxnfgisdtof Sideshifter, Mast lateral displacement

Condition: repair required (used), Sheet Metal Processing Unit, Decoiler, Straightener, Guillotine Shear, Reinhardt Maschinenbau GmbH Ras 228.60 Used Machine Lodpfovkbrqjx Adtshf Manufacturer: Reinhardt Maschinenbau GmbH Model: Ras 28.60 Maximum Sheet Width: 1500 mm Maximum Sheet Thickness: 1.5 mm Total Weight: 9350 kg Features: Decoiler Measuring Unit Sheet Straightener Guillotine Shear Electrical Data: Voltage: 400 V Power: 12 kW Frequency: 50 Hz Current: 35 A Note: The control panel display is not functioning.

Condition: used, empty load weight: 6,520 kg, maximum load weight: 23,480 kg, overall weight: 30,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 05/2019, loading space length: 8,610 mm, suspension: air, tire size: 235/75R17,5 ---/140J, color: other, gearing type: other, front tire size: 235/75R17,5 ---/140J, rear tire size: 235/75R17,5 ---/140J, driver cabin: other, emission class: none, Equipment: ABS, compressed air brake, Loading area length drop deck approx. 6.50 m, loading area length total approx. 8.60 m, loading height approx. 900 mm, , Vehicle is offered on behalf of a bank, , -- Misprints, errors and omissions excepted, sample pictures --, More data under: !, More Details: ! Lhodpfx Ajy E H E Djdtof

Condition: used, - Intended for original Bongard ovens Lsdpfxjxwmyvo Adtehf - Can be adapted to suit all types of ovens - Belt dimensions: 710 x 2,600 mm - Year of manufacture: 01/2001 - Serial numbers: 6488 2M Our used URM electric oven loader is a versatile piece of equipment designed to meet your specific product handling needs in professional kitchens. Originally engineered for Bongard ovens, it can also be adapted to a variety of other oven types, providing you with maximum flexibility. With a belt size of 2,600 x 710 mm, this oven loader accommodates a wide range of capacity requirements in your production process. Its manufacturing date—January 2001—and serial number 6488 2M are a testament to its durability and reliability, even after years of use. Iodcvjxwmyvjyqi Aobd Whether you operate a bakery, pâtisserie, or any other foodservice establishment, this pre-owned electric oven loader will help boost your operational efficiency while ensuring safe handling of your products. Don’t miss this opportunity to acquire high-quality professional equipment at a competitive price. Choose our used URM electric oven loader for a convenient and dependable solution to your product handling needs. The listing was translated automatically. Translation errors are possible.

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2020, functionality: fully functional, Wiesheu Bread Oven Euromat – 5-Tray | Year of Manufacture: 2020 | Excellent Condition | Incl. Mobile Base For sale: Wiesheu Euromat bread oven (5-tray model) from 2020. The oven is in excellent condition and has always been well maintained. Comes complete with a mobile base, ideal for flexible placement in a bakery, shop, or food truck. Features • Brand: Wiesheu • Model: Euromat 5-tray • Year of manufacture: 2020 • Condition: Excellent / minimal signs of use • Mobile base included • Professional quality, reliable and energy efficient • Perfect for bakeries, hospitality, catering, or market use Wiesheu is renowned for its durable and high-performance ovens. The Euromat series is popular for its quick heat-up time, even baking results, and user-friendly operation. Prices excl. VAT Viewing possible. Ledpfx Ajxyyf Rsdtehf #Wiesheu #WiesheuEuromat #BreadOven #BakeryOven #CommercialOven #InstoreBaking #WiesheuOven #BakeryEquipment #ProfessionalOven #MIWE #Wachtel #Bongard #Debag #SvebaDahlen #Salva #CateringEquipment #BakeryOven #BakeryMachines

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1997, machine/vehicle number: RS 110-6-2 TF, functionality: fully functional, filter area: 660 m², total height: 10,400 mm, total length: 9,200 mm, total width: 2,500 mm, overall weight: 9,000 kg, Equipment: documentation/manual, Industrial Extraction System Venti Oelde, Spülluftfilter RS 110-6-2 TF, High-Performance System Airflow approx. 87,500 m³/h, 660 m² filtration area, year of manufacture 1997, incl. 3 high-performance fans, incl. ductwork, incl. air recirculation for approx. 70,000 m³/h, excl. spark extinguishing system. For sale is a powerful industrial extraction system by Venti Oelde, designed for an airflow of approx. 87,500 m³/h. The system has been in continuous operation and is suitable for use in larger industrial applications (e.g., wood processing, furniture manufacturing, operations with high chip and dust volumes). 👉 This is a complete central extraction system, not a standalone unit! Key Technical Data (excerpt) - Airflow: approx. 87,500 m³/h - Configuration: Central extraction - Year of manufacture: approx. 1997 - Application area: Industry / continuous duty - Robust steel construction - Built for heavy-duty continuous operation Scope of Delivery - Filtration system - Fans - Ductwork - Air recirculation unit - Steel frame / support structure Condition - System was operational until recently - Used, age-related, but solid industrial build quality - Inspection is explicitly encouraged Lhodpfx Adsywflajtsf Special Features - Very high air capacity – ideal for large-scale production facilities - Immediately available – no long lead times as with new systems - Heavy-duty construction – durable industrial technology - Attractive alternative to costly new installations - Dismantling support can be organized at extra cost!!!! The offered machine is sold as a used system. Sale is conducted with exclusion of any liability for material defects. The machine is sold as inspected and excluding any warranties. The seller accepts no guarantee regarding the functionality, performance, or suitability for any particular purpose. Disclaimer All liability for material defects is excluded. This does not apply to damages arising from injury to life, body, or health, or in cases of intentional or grossly negligent conduct by the seller. Dismantling and Transport Dismantling of the system is to be undertaken by the buyer at their own risk and expense. The buyer is responsible for all costs and risks associated with dismantling, loading, and transport. Transfer of Risk The risk passes to the buyer at the latest upon commencement of dismantling and/or loading. Other Information No liability is accepted for hidden defects. All information regarding the machine (e.g., year of manufacture, operating hours, technical data) is given to the best of our knowledge but without guarantee.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, functionality: fully functional, Vecoplan VAZ 800 XL Shredder | 22 kW | Year 2004 | Good Condition | incl. Spare Blades For sale is a used, fully operational single-shaft shredder from Vecoplan, model VAZ 800 XL. The machine is ready for immediate use and can be inspected and tested on site at any time. ⚙️ Technical Specifications Manufacturer: Vecoplan Lodpfey Exchox Adtehf Model: VAZ 800 XL Year of manufacture: 2004 Drive power: 22 kW Feed opening: approx. 1135 x 800 mm Rotor diameter: approx. 370 mm Connection: 400 V / 50 Hz Serial number: 9292010 ✅ Features & Highlights ✔️ Automatic material level control (starts only when sufficient material is available) ✔️ Replaceable knife system Knives can be rotated 3 times Current knife sets still have usable lifespan ✔️ New counter-knife included ✔️ Robust industrial build (Vecoplan standard) ✔️ Maintenance-friendly design ✔️ Well-suited for continuous operation 🪵 Applications Ideally suited for: - Wood waste / solid wood - Chipboard / MDF - Production waste - Plastics (depending on configuration) 🛠️ Condition Technical: Excellent / fully functional Visual: Used, normal signs of use Machine was last running in operation without issues 📍 Inspection & Collection Location: 36367 Wartenberg Inspection under power possible Assistance with loading can be provided The machine is offered as a used unit. Sale is made under exclusion of any liability for material defects. The machine will be sold as inspected and under exclusion of any warranty. The seller assumes no guarantee for functionality, performance, or suitability for a specific purpose. Disclaimer Any liability for material defects is excluded. This does not apply to damages resulting from injury to life, limb, or health, or in cases of intentional or grossly negligent behavior by the seller. Dismantling and Transport Dismantling is the buyer's responsibility and at their own risk and expense. The buyer is responsible for all costs and risks associated with dismantling, loading, and transport. Transfer of Risk Risk transfers to the buyer at the latest upon the start of dismantling or loading. Other Information No liability is accepted for hidden defects. All details regarding the machine (e.g., year of manufacture, operating hours, technical details) are provided to the best of our knowledge, but without guarantee.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2019, functionality: fully functional, power: 382 kW (519.37 HP), Description: Screw compressor ZR315VSD Lsdpfovyq Rnsx Adtjhf Characteristics: Capacity 8.60 bar Power 382 kW Voltage 400 V or 500 V Running hours at last maintenance: 7270

Year of construction: 2019, condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, Barbaric vertical stacking system, Door Manipulator S, year 2019 The offered machine is being sold as a used unit. The sale is made excluding any liability for material defects. The machine is sold as inspected and under exclusion of any warranty. The seller does not guarantee the functionality, performance, or suitability for any particular purpose. Disclaimer Any liability for material defects is excluded. This does not apply to damages resulting from injury to life, body or health, or in cases of intentional or grossly negligent behavior by the seller. Dismantling and Transport Dismantling of the machine is to be carried out by the buyer at their own responsibility and expense. The buyer bears all costs and risks associated with dismantling, loading, and transportation. Lhjdpfx Adjywn Spetof Transfer of Risk The risk passes to the buyer at the latest upon commencement of dismantling or loading. Other No liability is assumed for hidden defects. All information about the machine (e.g. year of manufacture, operating hours, technical data) is provided to the best of our knowledge, but without guarantee.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, filter area: 160 m², Equipment: documentation/manual, NESTRO Extraction System Year 2022 – Modern Industrial Installation – Top Condition NESTRO Extraction Jet NFHSU 11125, 160 m² filter area, incl. 2x electric diverter valves, excl. spark extinguishing system, year 2022 Ledpfx Adsywfl Hjtohf Description For sale is a high-quality, modern extraction system from NESTRO Lufttechnik GmbH, built in 2022. The system comes from an industrial environment and is accordingly in a very good, well-maintained condition. Thanks to its recent year of manufacture, it offers the latest technology, high energy efficiency, and state-of-the-art control components. 👉 Ideal for joineries, woodworking, manufacturing businesses, and industrial applications where dust and chips are generated. Key Technical Data (Excerpt) Manufacturer: NESTRO Lufttechnik GmbH Year of manufacture: 2022 Duct diameter: Ø 300 mm Electric diverter valves included Motor power diverter valve: 0.12 kW Operating voltage: 400 V Frequency: 50 Hz Robust industrial design Scope of delivery - Filter plant / filter housing - Fan / negative pressure fan - Control system (incl. modern control components) - Piping and components (as per inventory) - Diverter valves - Steel structure / installation Condition ✔ Year 2022 – very modern condition ✔ The system has been in use and is proven ✔ Well-maintained overall system ✔ Inspection possible any time Special Features ✔ Very recent year of manufacture ✔ Premium manufacturer (NESTRO) ✔ Modern control technology ✔ Energy-efficient and future-proof ✔ Significantly cheaper than comparable new equipment ✔ Ideal for rapid integration into existing operations Important Notes Sale is made in the current condition Dismantling and loading by purchaser Support for dismantling can be organized upon request Sale without warranty Condition / Warranty The machine offered is sold as used equipment. The sale is under exclusion of any liability for material defects. The machine is sold as inspected and without any warranty. The seller does not guarantee functionality, performance, or suitability for any particular purpose. Disclaimer Any liability for material defects is excluded. This does not apply to damages resulting from injury to life, body or health, or to grossly negligent or intentional behavior by the seller. Dismantling and Transport Dismantling of the machine is the responsibility of the buyer at their own expense and risk. The buyer bears all costs and risks associated with dismantling, loading, and transport. Transfer of Risk Risk passes to the buyer at the latest when dismantling or loading begins. Other Provisions No liability is accepted for hidden defects. All information on the machine (e.g. year of manufacture, operating hours, technical data) is given to the best of our knowledge but without guarantee.