Used Tox Mag 008 for sale (3,954)

Condition: new, Rexroth Indramat MHD095C-058-PG0-AN Permanent Magnet Motor SN: MHD095-00085, unused in opened original packaging, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos Hodpfx Acjldlqderel

Condition: ready for operation (used), Siemens 1HU3078-0AF01 -Z Z=H01 Permanent Magnet Motor SN: E0V87827901008, used, heavy signs of wear, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos. Hodpfx Aex Dvlnscrsl

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2013, Technical details: faceplate diameter: 800 mm power requirement: 110 kW weight of the machine ca.: 37.000 / total 52.000 t transport measurements machine: 5,07 x 2,98 x 3,90 m clamping diameter: 800 mm : Ø 800 x 720 mm Tool bore: Capto C6 tools in tool magazin: 2 x 80 With C-Axis * Hodpfx Acouyp Enjrel

Year of construction: 2007, condition: excellent (used), Control: STE 328-89-1 1/2" complete TOX power pack: S75.160.200.12D table size: 996 x 695 mm installation height: 600 mm total stroke: 150 mm Power stroke: 10 mm Weight: 5700 kg Hedpfx Ajp Aul Ascrsl Electrical connection 230 V

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2013, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: S.1003825.001, faceplate diameter: 800 mm, workpiece length (max.): 800 mm, workpiece width (max.): 720 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Faceplate diameter: 800 mm Clamping diameter: 800 mm Max. workpiece dimensions: 800 x 720 mm Tool interface: Capto C6 Tool magazine positions: 2 x 80 MACHINE DETAILS Total power requirement: 110 kW Dimensions & Weight Approximate machine weight: 37,000 kg / total 52,000 kg Transport dimensions (machine): 5.07 x 2.98 x 3.90 m EQUIPMENT Hodpsxvrhvefx Acrol C-axis

Condition: used, Pneumohydraulic cylinder TOX Pressotechnik Hydro-pneumatic press, power pack Type: S 04.00.050.12 D No.: 208696.460 Year of manufacture approx. 2000 Pressure capacity: 4.0 tons at 10 bar Pressure capacity: 3.0 tons at 8 bar Pressure capacity: 2.6 tons at 7 bar Pressure capacity: 2.4 tons at 6 bar Pressure capacity: 2.0 ton. at 5 bar Pressure capacity: 1.6 ton. at 4 bar Pressure capacity: 1.2 tons at 3 bar Total stroke: 50 mm Power stroke: 12 mm Piston rod: Ø 30 mm Thread for piston rod: M22 x 2 mm Compressed air requirement: 3 to 10 bar - Electronic oil pressure switch with TOX digital display for force measurement, type 167282 Hsdpfxeu D Tz Ue Acrjl - Height only power pack with piston rod = 610 mm - Height of power pack hydropneumatic cylinder only = 560 mm - Additional base plate 160 x 160 x 20 mm - Plunger plate: Ø 68 mm Space requirement L x W x H: 160 x 160 x 660 mm Weight: 21 kg Very good condition 3 pieces available, price per piece

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2011, operating hours: 50,457 h, functionality: fully functional, spindle speed (max.): 4,000 rpm, rapid traverse X-axis: 50 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 30 m/min, turning diameter: 200 mm, total length: 8,500 mm, total height: 3,800 mm, total width: 4,300 mm, type of input current: three-phase, workpiece diameter (max.): 250 mm, overall weight: 15,000 kg, controller model: Siemens 840 D sl, For sale is a MAG DVT250, year of manufacture 2011. Equipped with a Siemens 840 D sl control system. Equipment: - Infeed and outfeed conveyor - Chip conveyor (discharge to the right) - Coolant system - 2x tool turrets 12x VDI30 The machine is under power and can be inspected. *The marking unit (Richter [picture 1 right]) is defective and not part of the listing. Hjdoxc Enijpfx Acrjl

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2015, functionality: fully functional, overall weight: 880 kg, Specification: Protection rating: IP54 Control voltage: 24V DC Fuse: 16A Power: 0.5kW Hedpfowq R Rhjx Acrol The hydropneumatic press with feeder from Tox Pressotechnik is a versatile and efficient solution for the precise and reliable processing of a wide range of materials. By combining hydraulic power and pneumatic control, it allows for uniform force transmission as well as fast and controlled operation. The integrated feeder ensures a smooth material flow, increasing productivity and optimizing the production process.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2014, functionality: fully functional, overall weight: 840 kg, Specification: Protection class: IP54 Hjdpowq Sc Esfx Acrjl Control voltage: 24V DC Fuse: 16A Power: 0.5kW Dimensions: L: 130cm W: 90cm H: 255cm The hydropneumatic press from Tox Pressotechnik is an innovative and versatile solution for demanding manufacturing processes. It combines the advantages of hydraulic power with pneumatic control to ensure precise and even force transmission. The press is characterized by its high flexibility, making it suitable for a wide variety of applications such as forming, joining, or precision work. Thanks to its robust construction, it is durable and low-maintenance, making operation reliable and efficient.

Year of construction: 1992, condition: used, pressure 30 t throat max. 250 mm stroke max. 200 mm power stroke 20 mm dayligth 475 mm table surface area 550 x 500 mm Hjdpfx Acophvl Nsrjl weight of the machine ca. 2050 kg

Condition: used, STE 2-620-006-24B4-00 Single, FeedingUnit, TOX Hodpfxoq S Umne Acrel Model: STE 2-620-006-24B4-00 Single Type: FeedingUnit Condition: Used

Year of construction: 2011, condition: used, Toxi Press TOX-Clinch-unit TZ including EPMR-drive & electrical cabinet very good condition Robot tool Typ:  TZ 05.422289 Hjdpfx Acodq E Eijrsl weight: 121kg Max Kraft 52kN complete system Typ: STE 606-006-125 3,4kW 125 mm/s power 400V Press Typ: EPMR 055.034.100.000 including Schematic diagramm You get everything as shown. Including electrical cabinet. Attention: the cables to connect the clinch unit and the electrical cabinet are not included

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Fronius TPS 3200 ✅ Scope of delivery: ➤Fronius TPS 3200 power source (320A TRANS PULS SYNERGIC) ➤Fronius FK 4000 FC cooling unit – Equipped as standard with Flow Control, Thermocontrol, and a coolant filter. The cooling unit shuts off if the water cooling fails or overheats to protect the hose assembly. These features cost approximately €400 more from Fronius. ➤Fronius VR 7000 wire feed case – Compact and practical – in our opinion, the most useful feed case – the wire is safely stored in the enclosed case. ➤Fronius long intermediate hose package – each device is delivered with a 5-meter-long connecting hose package between the power source and the wire feed case for greater flexibility and better handling. Take the wire feed case with you to places that are difficult to reach! The connecting hose assembly is neatly attached to a hook on the side of the device. (Hooks are manufactured by us.) ➤ Large Fronius trolley – Arguably the best trolley with a gas cylinder holder on the market. ➤ Binzel hose assembly – With up/down amperage adjustment on the torch. ➤ Ground cable 3-4m ➤ New Messer pressure regulator ➤ New basket spool adapter for large wire spools This device can weld almost all materials, including aluminum, steel, and stainless steel (V2A). It features feeler wire programs and is also suitable for MIG brazing (Cusi), which is frequently used in the sheet metal industry. Additional options are available for an additional charge. e.g., Fronius Job Master hose package (display on the torch) + EUR 500.00 ----- IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE PROPER INVOICE A viewing is possible in Austria in Vienna 1230! ✔ Insured shipping on a pallet is no problem! ✔ We can also be reached via WhatsApp and Viber. ✅Questions✅Questions✅Questions✅ Questions: ✅Questions✅Questions✅ Questions✅ ►►►What is the condition of the devices? To explain, we buy like-new used devices, disassemble them, check everything, replace any wear parts if necessary, and only then, after a successful test weld, are they released for sale. "All" devices are clean and have neither burn holes in the displays nor countless burn holes or dents scattered throughout the device! Hedpfx Acewbilxerol You're buying an item from us that's ⭐worth seeing and doesn't look completely finished! ►►►Do we receive an invoice when we buy from you? Yes, we provide a proper invoice. If you have a valid VAT ID, we can issue a net invoice if the requirements for intra-community delivery within the EU are met. ►►►What payment options are available? Advance payment or cash upon personal pickup ►►►Why buy from us? We are experts in this Fronius welding machine series and always have 60-80 devices in stock – exclusively Fronius, no other manufacturers! We are experts in these devices and don't sell anything we don't know anything about.

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), functionality: fully functional, type of cooling: water, FRONIUS TPS 5000 ✅ Scope of delivery: ➤Fronius TPS 5000 power source (500A TRANS PULS SYNERGIC) ➤Fronius FK 4000 ➤Fronius VR 4000 wire feeder unit ➤Fronius standard intermediate hose package from 1.5m ➤Fronius trolley ➤Fronius hose package ➤Ground cable 3-4m ➤Pressure regulator This device can weld almost all materials, including aluminum, steel, and V2A. It features touch wire programs and is also suitable for MIG brazing (Cusi), which is frequently used in the sheet metal industry. Additional options and applications: This TPS series can be easily connected to a robot. All you need is an interface and the appropriate hose package. We also offer the optional RCU 5000i control panel, which allows you to create and import characteristic curves to further expand the functions of the TPS device. ---- IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE PROPER INVOICE A viewing is possible in Austria in Vienna, 1230! ✔ Insured shipping on a pallet is no problem! ✔ ✅Questions✅Questions✅Questions: ✅Questions✅Questions✅ Questions✅ ►►►What is the condition of the device? To explain, we buy like-new used devices, disassemble them, check everything, replace wear parts if necessary, and only then, after successful test welding, is the device released for sale. "All" devices are clean and have neither burn holes in the displays nor countless burn holes or dents scattered throughout the device! You are buying an item from us that is also worth seeing and doesn't look completely finished! ►►►Do we receive an invoice when we purchase from you? Yes, we provide a proper invoice. If you have a valid VAT ID, we can issue a net invoice if the requirements for intra-community delivery within the EU are met. ►►►What payment options are available? Hedpfx Aswbh Ifocrel Advance payment or cash upon personal pickup ►►►Is insured shipping possible? Yes, we will be happy to send you the purchased set well packaged and insured on a Euro pallet. ►►►Is there a warranty? We sell the machines at one-third the original price and unfortunately do not have the flexibility to offer a warranty. You are welcome to test the devices on site and pay in cash. ►►►Why buy from us? We are experts in this Fronius welding machine series and always have 60-80 devices in stock – exclusively Fronius, no other manufacturers! We are experts in these devices and don't sell anything we don't know about.

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), ►►► FRONIUS TPS 3200 SET OFFER €3,290 net including BINZEL UP DOWN HOSE PACK or Fronius AW hose package with display on the torch including connection conversion (+€500) ✅ Scope of delivery: ➤Fronius TPS 3200 power source (320A TRANS PULS SYNERGIC) ➤Fronius FK 4000 FC cooling unit – Equipped as standard with Flow Control, Thermocontrol, and coolant filter. The cooling unit shuts off if the water cooling fails or overheats to protect the hose package. These features cost approximately €400 more from Fronius. ➤Fronius VR 7000 wire feed case – Compact and practical – in our opinion, the most useful wire feed case – the wire is safely stored in the enclosed case. ➤Fronius Intermediate Hose Package (Long) – Each device comes with a 5-meter-long connecting hose package between the power source and the wire feeder case for greater flexibility and better handling. Take the wire feeder case with you to places that are difficult to reach! The connecting hose package is neatly attached to a hook on the side of the device. (Hooks are manufactured by us.) ➤Fronius Large Trolley – Arguably the best trolley with gas cylinder holder on the market. ➤Binzel Hose Package – With up/down amperage adjustment on the torch. ➤3-4m Earth Cable ➤New Messer Pressure Regulator ➤New Basket Spool Adapter for Large Wire Spools This device can weld almost all materials, including aluminum, steel, and stainless steel (V2A). It features tracer wire programs and is also suitable for MIG brazing (Cusi), which is frequently used in the sheet metal industry. Additional options are available for an additional charge. e.g., Fronius Job Master hose package (display on the torch) + EUR 450.00 The first 10 buyers of a device will receive an additional --> 2nd hose package free Currently 30+ ⭐TPS 3200 SET⭐ in stock ----- Debsum Rw Dokh Hufpokk Hodpfx Aswbilljcrjl AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE DELIVERY PROPER INVOICE A viewing is possible in Austria in Vienna 1230! ✔ Insured shipping on a pallet is no problem! ✔ We can also be reached via WhatsApp and Viber. ✅Questions✅Questions✅Questions: ✅Questions✅Questions✅ Questions: ✅Questions✅Questions✅ ►►►What is the condition of the devices? To explain, we buy like-new used devices, disassemble them, check everything, replace any worn parts if necessary, and only then, after a successful test weld, is the device released for sale. "All" devices are clean and have neither burn holes in the displays nor countless burn holes or dents scattered throughout the device! You're buying an item from us that's ⭐worth seeing and doesn't look completely finished! ►►►Do we receive an invoice when you purchase from us? Yes, you receive a proper invoice from us. If you have a valid VAT ID, we can issue a net invoice if the requirements for intra-community delivery within the EU are met. ►►►What payment options are available? Prepayment or cash upon personal pickup ►►►Why buy from us? We are experts in this Fronius welding series and always have 60-80 devices in stock – exclusively Fronius, no other manufacturers! We know about these devices and don't sell anything we don't know about.

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), ►►► FRONIUS TPS 3200 SET OFFER ✅ Scope of delivery: ➤ Fronius TPS 3200 Power Source (320A TRANS PULS SYNERGIC) ➤ Fronius FK 4000 FC Cooling Unit – Standard features include Flow Control, Thermocontrol, and coolant filter. The cooling unit shuts off if the water cooling fails or gets too hot, to protect the torch package. These functions cost approximately €400 extra from Fronius. ➤ Fronius VR 7000 Wire Feed Case – Compact and practical – in our experience, the most useful wire feed case – the wire is securely stored in the closed case. ➤ Fronius Intermediate Hose Package, long version – each machine is supplied with a 5-meter-long connection hose between the power source and the wire feed case for greater flexibility and improved handling. Take the wire feed case off the machine to access hard-to-reach areas! The connecting hose is neatly stored on a hook on the side of the machine. (Hooks are produced by us) ➤ Fronius Large Trolley – Probably the best trolley with a gas bottle holder on the market. ➤ Binzel Torch Package – With up/down amperage control on the torch. ➤ Ground cable 3-4m ➤ New Messer pressure regulator ➤ New basket reel adapter for large wire spools With this machine, almost all materials can be welded, including aluminum, steel, and stainless steel (V2A). It features pulse wire programs and is also suitable for MIG brazing (CuSi), commonly used in the sheet metal industry. Additional options are available at extra charge For example: Fronius Aw4000/Aw5000 Job Master Torch Package (with display on torch) + EUR 550.00 ----- IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE PROPER INVOICE Inspection is possible in Austria, Vienna 1230! ✔ Insured shipping on a pallet is no problem! ✔ We are also available via WhatsApp and Viber. ✅Questions✅Questions✅Questions✅Questions: ✅Questions✅Questions✅Questions✅ ►►► What is the condition of the equipment? For clarification: we purchase nearly new used equipment, disassemble and thoroughly inspect everything, replace wear parts as necessary, and only after a successful test weld do we release the equipment for sale. "All" machines are clean with no burn marks on the displays and without numerous burn holes or dents! With us, you buy an item that is ⭐in excellent condition and doesn’t look worn out! ►►► Do we receive an invoice when purchasing from you? Yes, you will receive a proper invoice from us. If you have a valid VAT ID and meet the requirements for intra-community delivery within the EU, we can issue a net invoice. ►►► What payment options are available? Hedpfx Aswbil Sjcrjl Prepayment or cash on personal collection. ►►► Why buy from us? We are experts in this series of Fronius welding machines and always have 60-80 units in stock – exclusively Fronius, no other brands! We know these machines inside out and do not sell anything we don’t have expertise in.

Condition: good (used), Gas metal arc welding machine, arc welding system, MIG/MAG welding system, pulse welding system Hodpox Hi I Defx Acrol -Manufacturer: Ess, MIG/MAG welding machine -Type: Pulsarc 350 -Max. welding power: 350 A -Water-cooled -Wire feeder case: ESS DVK 400 4-roller drive -Dimensions: 970/670/H1040 mm -Weight: 209 kg

Condition: good (used), MIG/MAG hose assembly, MIG/MAG welding torch -MIG/MAG hose package: water-cooled -Length: 4.4 m -Transport dimensions: 430/400/H100 mm Hjdox Rwcwspfx Acrol -Weight: 3.5 kg

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2018, Burning-Drilling Machine Plate Processing Center Hedpfxjvzrcze Acrsl Manufacturer: Vernet-Behringer Model: MAG EVO 420 Year of manufacture: 2018 CNC Control Power Source: Kjellberg HiFocus 360 Plasma cutting for material thickness: 5 to 50 mm Spindle speed: 160 – 4,000 rpm automatic turret Tool holder: 14 Motor power: 16 kW Drilling diameter: 5 - 40 mm V-Scoring marking: 5 to 40 mm Sheet dimensions min.: 1,500 x 300 mm (750 x 400 mm with restriction) Minimum finished part dimensions: 80 x 80 mm Max. sheet weight: 2,600 kg and 650 kg/m Infeed side: Roller conveyor for flat steel and plates: 4,000 x 2,000 mm Zero-position cross conveyor Number of trolleys: 2 clamps NC feed carriage, side positioned 4 clamping tongs (2+2) 3 short-stroke cross conveyors Working height: 1,000 mm Outfeed side: Outfeed roller conveyor with lowering discharge table and chute into material collection bin for unloading small parts. Filter unit including piping High-performance for use with carbide tools. For drilling, tapping, marking, milling, plasma cutting of flat steel and sheet metal. Software options for milling and V-scoring/marking LANTEK license Ref. no.: ä16426 Availability: immediately!

Condition: good (used), Welding current range - 200 A Weight: 158 kg Accessories / Special features: - separate ESAB A 10 wire feed unit with 2-roll wire feeder Hjdpofkpgdsfx Acrel - including hose package and ground cable Siegfried Volz Werkzeugmaschinen Rüschebrinkstr. 151-153 D - 44143 Dortmund - Wambel / Germany

Condition: good (used), Inert gas welding machine with pulse function, pulse-arc welding system, MIG/MAG pulse welding system -with: 3 hose packages (1x aluminum, 1x stainless steel, 1x steel) -Max. welding power: 330 A -Equipment: remote control connection, with removable wire feed, including ground cable, gas fitting -Wire feed: 4-roller drive Hjdpfxsd I U Dwo Acrol -Cooling: Water-cooled -Dimensions: 655/900/H1490 mm -Weight: 160 kg

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2021, machine/vehicle number: KA 8, 2/33/008/21, VO-DA, 2/06/009/21, For sale: one automatic carton erector with volume optimizer. The machines are still in their original packaging and have never been used. Carton Erector: Machine specifications: Machine no.: KA 8, 2/33/008/21 Year of manufacture: 2021 Dimensions (LxWxH): 3,500 x 2,380 x 2,450 mm Weight: 2,100 kg Electrical connection: 400 V, 50 Hz, 12 kW Output: 13 cartons/minute Carton processing: Carton sizes (LxWxH): 385 x 285 x 200 up to 590 x 385 x 350 mm Tolerance for carton sizes: +/- 5 mm Carton quality: single-wall B or C flute Suitable for blanks according to FEFCO 0200 Machine components: Frame Carton magazine (LxWxH): 1,700 x 800 x 1,000 mm, weight 80 kg Carton conveyor Folding unit Gluing station Glue applicator Automatic hot melt supply: 120-litre drum Control and technology: PLC: Siemens S7, ET 200 SP with CPU Operator panel: Simatic HMI TP 700 Comfort on the control cabinet Profinet coupler and Ewon router technology for remote maintenance Volume Optimizer: Machine specifications: Hedpfx Acsyxmdgjrel Machine no.: VO-DA, 2 Year of manufacture: 2021 Dimensions (LxWxH): 5,600 x 2,200 x 2,960 mm Weight: 2,900 kg Electrical connection: 400 V, 50 Hz, 32.5 kW Output: 11-12 cartons/minute Carton processing: Carton sizes (LxWxH): 400 × 300 × 200/300 mm Tolerance for carton sizes: +/- 15 mm Processing of carton blanks according to FEFCO 0200 Use of lid blanks according to FEFCO 0458, glued onto the carton Machine components: Magazine (LxWxH): 1,700 x 800 x 1,000 mm, weight 200 kg Indexing/transfer station, minimizing station, folding station, and lid application Frame and safety guarding (LxWxH): 1,400 x 1,300 x 1,200 mm, weight 150 kg Automatic hot melt supply: 120-litre drum Control and technology: PLC: Siemens S7, ET 200 SP with CPU Operator panel: Simatic HMI TP 700 Comfort on the control cabinet Profinet coupler and Ewon router technology for remote maintenance

Condition: used, Shielding Gas Welding Machine MIG-O-MAT Type U 405 Serial No. Year of manufacture 1991 Output 400 amps = 60% duty cycle 280 amps = 100% duty cycle Adjustment range 18 steps Torch hose length 5 meters Power supply 380 V, 50 Hz, 32 amp plug - Spot and interval welding function Hsdpsyy Dfqjfx Acrsl - 2-stroke and 4-stroke welding functions - Wire feed with 2-roller drive - Water-cooled - Shielding gas pressure regulator - Supplied with 1.2 mm welding wire Dimensions L x W x H: 1300 x 500 x 900 mm Weight approx. 200 kg In good condition

Condition: refurbished (used), functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, input voltage: 380 V, type of cooling: water, welding current (min.): 60 A, welding current (max.): 450 A, Carl Cloos GLC 451 C - Water-cooled Mig Mag Step-controlled Specifications: 60-450 AMP 380 Volt Water-cooled 30 steps adjustable 2/4 stroke 4 roller driven Adjustable burnback time Hedpfxjyy Skue Acrol Includes: Mig welding torch, earth cable with clamp, gas hose, and 10 metre intermediate package. Visits by appointment only. Test welding is possible. A video of the machine in welding condition is possible. We also deliver to countries like Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece and all other countries inside and outside Europe with Euro pallets per freight. All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready to use unless otherwise indicated. The pictures above show the real machine. We can also offer you other types of machines such as: Used, New, Mig, Mag, Co2, Tig, Pulse, AC/DC, Plasma, Water-cooled, Electrode, Brands we offer: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, Ess, Kemper. You always do business with Cjays Lastechniek itself and never with third parties.

Condition: refurbished (used), functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, input voltage: 380 V, ground cable length: 3,000 mm, warranty duration: 3 months, type of cooling: water, welding current (max.): 400 A, Used – Esab Origo Mig 4002cw – Water-cooled MIG/MAG 3 Months Warranry Refurbished, tested, serviced, and ready for immediate use Specifications: 400 AMP 380 Volt Water-cooled 2/4 Step / 4 Roller drive Hsdpfoyyuzvjx Acrsl Digital display Program memory Elektrode option Including: SB501W Welding torch, earth work cable, gas cable, and 1 meter interconnection hose. Visits by appointment only. Test welding is possible. A video of the machine in welding condition is possible. We also deliver to countries like Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece and all other countries inside and outside Europe with Euro pallets per freight. All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready to use unless otherwise indicated. The pictures above show the real machine. We can also offer you other types of machines such as: Used, New, Mig, Mag, Co2, Tig, Pulse, AC/DC, Plasma, Water-cooled, Electrode, Brands we offer: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, Ess, Kemper. You always do business with Cjays Lastechniek itself and never with third parties.