Used Morara Cylindrical Grinding Machine for sale (65,685)

Condition: used, Distance between centres: 1000 mm Centre height: 250 mm B-axis: Accuracy 0.1" Lhsdpfx Aexmg Ekefwjk CNC brand: Kelco CNC model: 90 Left grinding wheel dimensions (OD x ID x width): Ø400 x Ø127 x 63 mm Right grinding wheel dimensions (OD x ID x width): Ø400 x Ø127 x 50 mm Workhead swivel: -30º to +120º Workhead taper: MK 5 Max. workpiece weight between centres: 150 kg Tailstock taper: MK 4 Tailstock quill travel: 50 mm Maximum peripheral speed: 32 m/s High-frequency internal grinding spindle: Ø120 mm High-frequency internal grinding spindle brand: WARNER model K 3.000 Main motor power: 7.5 kW Total power: 26.5 kW Max. Z-axis travel: 1,150 mm Max. Z-axis feed speed: 15 m/min Worktable rotation: 0º to 9º Max. X-axis travel: 320 mm Max. X-axis feed speed: 7.5 m/min Length: 3,600 mm Width: 2,000 mm Approx. weight: 5,000 kg

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1988, grinding diameter 360 mm grinding length 1000 mm centre height 180 mm grinding wheel diameter 500 x203,2 x 50-100 mm total power requirement 12 KvA weight of the machine ca. 4,7 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3,3 x2,0 x 1,8 m Lhsdpfxozu A Sij Afwsk - Includes belt filters - Includes grinding wheels

Condition: excellent (used), With DRO With internal grinding attachement Center height 240 mm Distance between centers 2500 mm Lhsdjzhmfyopfx Afwjk Grinding wheel 700 x 200 x 305 Grinding wheel speeds 890 / 1'120 rpm Workpiece spindle head 90° rotation Taper in tailstock MK5 Misc. accessories MARCELS MASCHINEN AG

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2025, Offered is a CNC controled universal cylindrical grinding machine EMAG Weiss W 11 CNC. The machine is suitable for external-interna- face and cylindrical grinding. The W 11 CNC cylindrical grinding machine is perfect for one-offs- / prototype- and serial production. Ledjr Ey Hujpfx Afwohk This cylindrical grinding machine is also used for sample production in the field of training and maintenance. CONTROL Eckelmann TECHNICAL DATA Workpiece length: max. 1.500 mm Center height: 200 mm | Option 320 mm Workpiece weight: 250 kg Workhead: MK 4 | Option MK5 / MK6 Tailstock: MK 4 TOOL CARRIER Single wheel straight / incliend, but also possible 2 wheels on B-axis combined with internal grinding spindle. Price, delivery time and equipment of the machine according to agreement.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2012, workpiece . workpiece diameter 15 -70 mm swing diameter max. 150 mm clamping length max. 500 mm Swing over bezel area 70 mm dimension 150 x 300 mm max. turning speeds 250 min/-1 longitudinal adjustment manuell über Kettenrad Fixed tip MK 4 (Junker D75 mm) clamping capacity ü. Hydraulik einstellbar travel -z axis max. 1000 mm feed z - Achse (CNC gesteuert) dimension D 205 x 450 mm flange diameter D 190 mm standards association D 127 mm drive 30 kW Lsdpfx Afex H Andowehk speed control mit Frequenz- Umformer max. turning speeds 4400 min/-1 type Borazon (CBN) o. Diamant mm diameter 450 mm bore D 127 mm peripheral speed max. 90 m/sec type GR-3520-NR mm diameter range D 20 - D 35 mm dimension D 80 x 250 mm flange D 100 standards association D 75 drive 1,8 kW max. turning speeds 24000 min/-1 weight of the machine ca. 7,0 t In our opinion, the machine is in good condition and can be inspected under power by appointment. There are 2 identical machines available. Accessories, tools and clamping devices shown are only part of the scope of delivery if this is noted in the additional information. Changes and errors in the technical data and information as well as Subject to prior sale!

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2009, functionality: fully functional, Travel distances Lsdpfx Afjy Idtqowshk Max. grinding diameter: 500 mm Max. grinding length: 2000 mm Max. workpiece weight: 500 kg between centers Swiveling of grinding head: +45 / -15° (manual) Grinding wheel: 500/80/203 mm Accessories: - Steady rest - Enclosure A video of the machine under power can be provided upon request.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1974, mechanical ja Lsdpfey Ty Riox Afwehk centre distance 2000 mm weight of the machine ca. 7,9 t

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, grinding width: 550 mm, grinding height: 580 mm, distance table to spindle center: 680 mm, table load: 1,000 kg, table width: 800 mm, grinding wheel width: 57 mm, spindle speed (max.): 1,500 rpm, overall weight: 6,000 kg, Equipment: documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, CNC Rotary Table Surface Grinding Machine ROSA ERMANDO CNC 800 – LIKE NEW (2024) For sale is a state-of-the-art CNC rotary table surface grinding machine, ROSA ERMANDO CNC 800, manufactured in 2024 and in like-new condition. The machine comes from an industrial application (Syntegon) and has been used very little. It will be available and ready for operation from January 2027. Thanks to the Siemens Sinumerik ONE control system and its extensive features, this machine is ideally suited for precise grinding operations in the tool, mold, and machine tool industries. ⚙️ Technical Data Manufacturer: ROSA ERMANDO Lhedpfx Aozhnbpofwjk Type: CNC 800 Year of Manufacture: 2024 Control System: Siemens Sinumerik ONE (Rosa System 9 Touch) Axes: 3 Travel: X: 550 mm Y: 680 mm Grinding Wheel: 400 x 57 x 127 mm Spindle Power: 11 kW Max. Speed: 1500 rpm Spindle Condition: New 🧰 Equipment / Accessories ✅ Electro-permanent magnetic clamping table Ø 800 mm ✅ Adjustable magnetic force (20–100 %) ✅ Demagnetization device ✅ Coolant system with band filter (100 l/min, 350 l tank) ✅ Additional grinding wheel flanges ✅ Teleservice / Remote diagnostics ✅ CE marking Important conditions: Please note that the sale of this machine is only possible under the following conditions: • Sale exclusively to end users/manufacturing companies (no resale to dealers) – corresponding company profile required • Sale only within Germany or the EU • Inclusion of a dual-use disclaimer in the purchase contract (legally required) Sales / Transfer Conditions: • Dismantling, removal, and transport are the responsibility of the buyer and at their own risk. • The buyer is responsible for providing personnel, tools, and transport equipment. The personnel must only work with appropriate personal protective equipment, and only trained personnel may be used. If you are interested, we look forward to hearing from you so that we can discuss the further details directly.

Year of construction: 2001, condition: excellent (used), Cylindrical grinder Grinding width 64 cm Grinding height 10.5 cm Two rollers. 3.7 kW motor Ledpsmicz Tefx Afwshk

Condition: refurbished (used), Machine totaly reconditioned With DRO Lhsdpfx Afjwhk Uuswsk Center height 175 mm Distance between centers 1000 mm Grinding wheel 400 x 50 x 127 mm + 225 x 20 x 76.2 mm Grinding wheel speeds 1'500-2'200 rpm With internal grinding attachement Misc. accessories MARCELS MASCHINEN AG

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1990, Ref. -No.: 10301 Lhedpfx Aeycpv Sjfwsk Manufacturer: TITAN Type: RU 350 x 1-1500 Year of construction: 1990 Type of control: Konventionell Storage location: Halberstadt Country of origin: USA Max. Grinding length: 1.500 mm Max. Workpiece Weight: 300 kg Grinding Diameter: 350 mm Max. Dia. Of Grinding Wheel: 280-500 mm Grinding Wheel Width: 80-100 mm

Condition: excellent (used), KELLENBERGER PRECISION UNIVERSAL CYLINDRICAL GRINDING MACHINE TYPE: 600 U YEAR OF MANUFACTURE: 2003 PARTIAL OVERHAUL: 2026 (Technical data see attached documents) Center height: 175 mm (without height adjustment) Grinding length: 600 mm Equipment: - Standard accessories - Internal grinding device for D: 80 mm max. incl. coolant supply through the workpiece spindle - Grinding wheel equipment left for D: 400 x 50 x 127 mm (standard) - Grinding wheel equipment right for D: 300 x 40 x 127 - Grinding wheel flange for wheels D: 400 x 50 x 127 mm (left) and D: 300 x 40 x 127 (right), balancing weights outside (3 pieces left, 2 pieces right) - Variable spindle drive with Danfoss frequency converter - Balancing device for dynamic balancing, type ELASO MANOBALANCE 750/EB 2000 - RENAUD internal grinding spindle type REN 828 (grease-lubricated with compressed air lock) - Various internal grinding mandrels for REN 828 – 1235, 1645, 2060, 2575 (4 pieces) - Various chucks HJNZ 28 for HJN 828 with 2 collets D: 3 mm and D: 6 mm - Tailstock standard MK 5 with adapter flange DIN 55027 size 5” Bore D: 38.2 mm (standard) - Sine bar on the tailstock - Tailstock with manual retraction for quill travel - Micrometer adjustment on the tailstock - Pneumatic relief of the tailstock - FORKARDT planetary three-jaw chuck D: 200 mm - REISHAUER wedge-bar three-jaw chuck D: 160 mm - Permanent magnet chuck D: 200 mm - Collet chuck for Schaublin B32 - Set of 59 collets Schaublin B32, D: 1.0 – 30.0 mm, graduation 0.5 mm - Set of 8 workpiece supports incl. holder - Three-jaw steady rest, 175 mm, foldable, D: 3-120 mm Lhjdpfxjzhma Dj Afwsk - Swiveling dressing tool for dressing during external, surface or internal grinding - Side and angled dressing tool for side and angled dressing of the grinding wheels - Dial indicator stop for table swiveling with dial indicator 1/100 mm - Dial indicator stop for table longitudinal movement with dial indicator 1/100 mm - Dressing stop for internal grinding - HEIDENHAIN Digital length measuring system for the X and Z axes - STREULI paper band filter SPB 3, 90 l/min at 0.26 bar, tank volume 240 l - WALDMANN machine lamp - Set of vibration-damping pads - Three-color paint finish (light gray RAL 7035/blue RAL 5012/dark gray RAL 7016) - New acceptance test report according to KELLENBERGER standard - CE conformity - Documentation Condition: very good, machine geometrically and mechanically overhauled (see geometry report)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2017, controller manufacturer: Siemens, controller model: 840 Dsl, _____ Description: Year of manuf. : 2017 Control : Siemens 840 Dsl Grinding length : 1000 mm In General: Year of manufacture:2017 Control system:Siemens 840 Dsl Centre height:180 mm Centre distance:1,000 mm Maximum workpiece weight:150 kg X-Axis: Technology:Electromechanical Transverse speed:0.001 – 8,000 mm/min Measuring system:Direct, 0.0005 mm (glass scale) Guideway:Hydrostatic Z-Axis: Technology:Electromechanical Table speed:0.01 – 12,000 mm/min Measuring system:Direct, 0.0005 mm (glass scale) B-Axis: Technology:Continuously swivelling axis Resolution:0.001° Clamping:Hydropneumatic Workpiece spindle: Power:2.0 kW Speed:0–600 rpm Chuck:MK 5 and KK 5 C-axis:0.001° Grinding spindle: Disc configuration:left/right Power:9 kW Speed:1,400 rpm Internal grinding spindle: Power:2.2 kW Speed:60,000 rpm Tail stock: Quill stroke:40 mm Mounting:MK 4 Quill retraction:Hydraulic Cylinder fine adjustment:Yes Lhjdpfx Ajzhdybsfwjk Equipment: Coolant supply:Coolant system with filter Emulsion mist separator:Mechanical Grinding wheel dresser:Diamond dressing tile Technology option I:Cone grinding Technology option II:Out-of-round grinding Balancing system:Automatic Grinding detection:Via structure-borne sound Workpiece measurement:Linear encoder Accessories:Various flanges, discs and mandrels

Condition: excellent (used), with internal grinding attachment Lhedpfx Afeiu E Trjwsk Center height 125 mm Distance between centers 600 mm Grinding wheel 400 x 40 x 127 mm Misc.accessories MARCELS MASCHINEN AG

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 1845/455, Completely refurbished: Mechanics, geometry, hydraulics, and electrical components Wheelhead Disassembly, cleaning of parts, replacement of worn and defective components, motor overhaul, replacement of bearings, replacement of belts, spindle disassembly, replacement of seals and O-rings, plus adjustment. New paintwork. Workhead Disassembly, cleaning of parts, replacement of worn and defective components, motor replacement, replacement of belts. New spindle bearings. New paintwork. Tailstock Disassembly, cleaning of parts, replacement of worn and defective components, motor replacement, replacement of belts. New spindle bearings. New paintwork. Internal grinding attachment Disassembly, cleaning of parts, replacement of worn and defective components, installation of the support and geometry alignment. New paintwork. Hydraulics Disassembly, motor replacement, hose replacement, defective and worn parts replaced. Hydraulic block checked. X-Axis Disassembly, replacement of worn items such as O-rings, seals, rings, etc., overhaul of hydraulic piston, regrinding of tables. Z-Axis Disassembly, regrinding of tables, replacement of worn and defective parts, overhaul of hydraulic piston, scraping of V and flat guides. New paintwork. Measuring system Digital 2-axis display included. Electrical cabinet Replacement of motor contactors and relay controls. New wiring. New variable speed drive (frequency inverter) for the workhead. TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS Distance between centers: 1500 mm Distance between centers (workhead to tailstock overhang): 1650 mm Center height, standard: 125 mm Center height with riser blocks: 225/250 mm Maximum grinding diameter: Ø 250 mm Maximum grinding diameter with riser blocks: 450/500 mm Table Usable surface: 2060 x 140 mm Max. length and width for surface grinding: 1750 x 200 mm Longitudinal travel, manual or hydraulic: 1750 mm Manual table movement, 1 handwheel revolution – coarse: 20.006 mm Manual table movement, 1 handwheel revolution – fine: 2.457 mm Table speed, continuously via hydraulics: up to 6 m/min Table swivelling: 6° Stop and return: 0–5 sec. Workspindle Workpiece speeds, continuously variable (electric): 20–400 rpm Swivelling: 360° Workspindle taper (internal): MT5 Tailstock Internal taper, tailstock spindle: MT3 Spindle retraction, manual or hydraulic: 30 mm Diamond dresser taper (internal): MT0 Lhedpfxjxt Ilfs Afwjk Universal grinding head Cross slide travel for wheel: 285 mm Rapid traverse for wheel slide, front and rear: 40 mm Grinding spindle speeds: 1500 – 1700 – 2200 – 3600 rpm Vertical grinding spindle movement, center heights: 125–330 mm Max. wheel for cylindrical grinding: 400 x 50 x 127 mm Max. wheel for surface grinding: 250 x 20 x 76 mm Head swivelling with locking at every 90°: 270° Wheel feed 1 division of the micrometer drum: 0.005 mm/Ø Automatic wheel feed, max.: 0.9 mm/Ø Motors Grinding spindle motor: 2,900 rpm / 4.0 hp Workspindle motor: 3,000 rpm / 2.0 hp Coolant pump motor: 2,850 rpm / 0.12 hp Internal grinding attachment Bore: 70 mm Internal grinding spindle speed Ø70 mm: 14,000 rpm Internal grinding spindle speed Ø50 mm: 21,000 rpm Subject to error or omission, the technical information is provided without obligation.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2005, operating hours: 38,388 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 019.3784, workpiece weight (max.): 130 kg, grinding length: 1,000 mm, total width: 1,970 mm, total length: 2,735 mm, total height: 1,700 mm, quill travel distance: 35 mm, quill stroke: 35 mm, quill diameter: 50 mm, distance between centers: 1,000 mm, type of input current: AC, spindle speed (max.): 2,110 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 1,670 rpm, grinding spindle speed: 2,110 rpm, overall weight: 3,400 kg, input frequency: 50 Hz, input voltage: 400 V, workpiece spindle speed (max.): 1,000 rpm, STUDER S30-1, manufactured in 2005, machine no. 019.3784 – universal cylindrical grinding machine, hydraulically controlled, for between-centers grinding and external grinding. Well-maintained, original condition, no indication of damage or weld repairs. Included: Original operating manual from Fritz Studer AG (DE/EN/FR, including spare parts catalog and noise measurement report) and EC declaration of conformity, both issued for this machine number. According to this factory documentation, it is the version with a center distance of 1,000 mm. EQUIPMENT - Grinding spindle with external grinding wheel on the left, Ø 400 x 80 x Ø 127 mm, hydrodynamic plain bearings, mounting taper Ø 63 mm - Workpiece spindle, swiveling 0-90°, MK 5, collet chucks W-25, 30-1,000 min-1 continuously variable via frequency converter - Three-jaw chuck mounted, drive for between-centers grinding, centering point in the tailstock - Tailstock MK 3, quill stroke 35 mm, adjustable spindle pressure, fine adjustment for roundness ± 40 µm - Adjustable dressing device on the tailstock (dressing by hand; diamond is a wear part) - Digital display Sony LD10 on swivel arm - Hydraulic unit Wandfluh (CH), coolant supply with filtration and aerosol extraction - Machine bed made of mineral cast Granitan S103 - 8 grinding wheel mounting flanges, including one balancing flange IMPORTANT – WHAT IS NOT INCLUDED This machine does NOT have an internal grinding attachment, NO belt spindles, and NO in-process measuring control. The series is prepared for these at the factory, but none of them are installed on this machine; available as accessories from STUDER. Grinding wheels are also not included in the scope of delivery. We only describe what we can document photographically. TECHNICAL DATA (according to the operating manual for this machine) - Center distance 1,000 mm, clamping length 1,030 mm, table stroke 1,050 mm - Max. workpiece weight between centers 130 kg, table swivels 8.5° - X: Rapid traverse 60 mm, plunge depth 3.4 mm in Ø, feed rate 0.012-6 mm/min, incremental feed from 0.001 mm - Z: 50-5,500 mm/min, smallest automatic table stroke 1.5 mm - Grinding spindle 1,670 / 2,110 min-1; machine's power rating: max. 35 m/s, wheel up to Ø 400 mm at 1,671 min-1, up to Ø 316 mm at 2,114 min-1 - Automatic hydraulic grinding cycle: rapid approach, feed 1 and 2, sparking 0-6 s, automatic shut-off - Guaranteed working accuracy (factory specification): straightness 0.0025 mm over 400 mm, 0.004 mm over 650 mm; roundness in external grinding 0.0003 mm - Operating hours 38,388.5 h; connection 400 V / 50 Hz, max. 13 kVA, air 5 bar; noise level ≤ 75 dB(A) Ledjzu T Afjpfx Afwshk - Weight approx. 3,500 kg (factory brochure, 1,000 mm version), footprint approx. 2,735 x 1,970 mm - Center height: will be remeasured and confirmed upon request CONDITIONS Location: 16727 Velten near Berlin. Machine packed on a wooden pallet, delivery 1-2 working days after payment receipt. FCA Velten (Incoterms 2020), loading onto your truck by our staff included. Payment: 100% advance payment. Inspection possible with short notice by appointment. Demonstration and test grinding only by appointment: the machine is disconnected, setup will be carried out by an external service provider; we will agree on the effort and costs in advance. Technical data according to manufacturer's documents and the included operating manual are provided as information; we will confirm individual values during the inspection or upon request. Offer subject to

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2010, functionality: fully functional, Rolling machine with accessories. Lodezg Hlwopfx Afwjhk

Condition: reconditioned (used), Year of construction: 2025, Grinding wheel dimensions (OD x ID x width): Ø508 x Ø304.8 x 305 mm Min/max diameter to be ground: 150 mm Grinding wheel width: 305 mm Maximum plunge grinding length: 305 mm Regulating wheel dimensions (OD x ID x width): Ø330 x Ø203 x 305 mm Regulating wheel motor power: 4 kW Grinding wheel spindle motor power: 37 kW Hydraulic motor power: 2.2 kW Total power: 45 kW Length: 3,500 mm Width: 2,500 mm Height: 1,100 mm Weight: 6,500 kg Lhedpfx Ajw R Rq Hjfwek

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1990, CNC cylindrical grinding machine Manufacturer: TSCHUDIN, Type: HTG 22 - 862, Year of manufacture: 1990 with MARPOSS E14 control and measuring control E5. Distance between centers: 650 mm Center height: 100 mm Grinding length: 620 mm Weight: approx. 4,500 kg. Further data can be found in: TECHNICAL DATA SHEET Includes many grinding wheels and attachments. Lhsdpsid Aphofx Afwek Complete machine documentation available. Machine is in stock.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2001, Description to follow! Ljdpfx Afezd E Tzewshk

Year of construction: 1975, condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 27749, height of centers: Schleif-Ø 250 mm distance between centers: Schleiflaenge 575 mm grinding wheel measures: 500 x 60 x 127 mm electrical connection: 380 V, ca. 9 kVA kW space needed: 2650 x 2600 x 2240 mm weight: 3400 kg Lhedpfx Afez Hc Iewjk

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2020, operating hours: 9,999 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 119 118, Schaudt – GSN Schleiftechnik Model: PS4 Lhjdpfexdcx Ijx Afwok Year of manufacture: approx. 1986, completely overhauled/retrofitted in 2020 Control: CNC, Siemens SINUMERIK 840D after retrofit Application: External cylindrical grinding; plunge, oscillation, and face grinding possible

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2021, operating hours: 10 h, functionality: fully functional, center height: 135 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 70 kg, grinding length: 600 mm, grinding wheel diameter: 405 mm, grinding diameter: 250 mm, grinding spindle motor power: 3,700 W, overall weight: 3,200 kg, pivoting range: 11 °, The machine is equipped with cycle control and is easy to operate; it can process various automatic cycles involving roughing, finishing, and spark-out, but it does not have CNC control. A grinding wheel, dressing diamond, coolant system, and balancing unit are included. Transport and commissioning are available on request. The machine can be inspected under power; it is new and has only been run for demonstrations, not for cutting operations. Lhsdpfx Aexl Uc Ijfwsk

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1980, Round grinding machine (internal and external) KELLENBERGER 1000 U-175, serial no. 32460-2247, year of manufacture 1980, max. grinding length 1,000 mm, max. diameter 350 mm. Lhedjzlpr Dspfx Afwjk

Condition: used, grinding diameter 250,350,450 mm grinding length 1000 mm centre height 125,175,225 mm grinding wheel diameter 400 mm grinding wheel width 50 mm bore 127 mm MK5 work piece spindle speed 20-400 U/min grinding head swivelling 360 ° grinding spindle head - swivable 180 + - ° grinding spindle speed 1500,1700,2200 U/min 0,001-0,030 mm/Ø 0-0,95 mm/Ø ±8 ° longitudinal feed of the table 1300 mm table speeds 0,02-6 m/min 130 kg 130 inkl. Spannugkg kg 70 mm total power requirement 6,5 kW weight of the machine ca. 2,5 t dimensions of the machine ca. 4,2 x 2,0 m As the world’s leading company in Kellenberger overhaul and retrofit we are not only able to deliver machines in a quality similar to a new machine and with warranty, but we can also offer you the service for your machines. Geometrically overhauled with new paint and original electrics. Foto of a 600U which we already have delivered. -Digital display in 2 axes. Resolution of x-Achse 0,5my Options: Ledpfx Aet Ii Nuefwohk -Encoder with digital display in workpiece spindle head -Encoder with digital display in grinding spindle head (Height adjustment with spindle not possible) -New stable internal grinding diameter 80mm oder 100mm with height-adjustment. -Increase the center heigh to max. 225mm -Speed control of the grinding spindle Including:: -Adjustment tool -Draw tube for chucks other accessories on reqeust Die Werkzeugmaschine entspricht zum derzeitigen Zeitpunkt nicht den grundlegenden Sicherheits- und Schutzanforderungen wie in der BetrSichV 2015 genannt. Eine Anhebung des erforderlichen Mindest-Schutzzieles ist mittels einer Gefährdungsbeurteilung nach BetrSichV zu ermitteln.