Used Start Hole Eroding Machine for sale (70,667)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1994, EDM machine Charmilles Robofil 2020 and 4020, year of manufacture 1994 and 1996 Dedpfxsyq R Tbo Amgsci

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 6207 20.57, workpiece weight (max.): 3,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 4,000 rpm, table length: 1,675 mm, table width: 700 mm, quill travel distance: 1,000 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel Paths and Drilling Motion Quill travel z: 1,000 mm Djdpfx Ajw Elrvjmgeci Vertical drilling unit: 800 mm Traveling column in drilling direction w: 1,100 mm Table and Axes Table transverse travel x: 1,000 mm Table size: 1,675 x 700 mm Table load capacity: 3,000 kg Spindle and Machining Tool holder: SK40 Spindle speed: 100 to 4,000 rpm Drilling capacity in steel: 32 mm Thread cutting: M24 MACHINE DETAILS Power connection: 7.5 kW Dimensions & Weight Weight: 4.8 t Footprint: 3,500 x 6,000 x 2,400 mm Transport dimensions without enclosure: 2,400 x 6,000 x 2,400 mm

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2016, operating hours: 25,000 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: - 396.900.171.0076, travel distance X-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 350 mm, total length: 1,030 mm, The machine is in excellent condition and can be inspected under power. Djdpfx Amjyit Ulogoci

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1995, functionality: unexamined, machine/vehicle number: XXX, We are going to sell 3 wire edm machines and 1starthole edm machine Dcsdpfx Amjtylpijgsi

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1995, functionality: unexamined, machine/vehicle number: XXX, We are going to sell 3 wire edm machines and 1starthole edm machine Dcsdpfx Ametylpcogji

Condition: refurbished (used), T30-1000 KTN/NC The machine will be completely overhauled and will be like new! The machine gets a completely new electrical system with our control. Technical specifications Drilling process: ELB Number of drilling spindles: 1 Min. Drilling diameter 4 mm Max. Drilling diameter 30 mm Max. Drilling depth 600 mm with drilling diameter 4mm / with larger drilling diameters max. Drilling depth 1000 mm Max. Rapid traverse speed X + Z axis 4000 mm / min Max. Rapid traverse speed y-axis 2000 mm Travels X-axis horizontal approx. 700 mm Dcjdpfx Aefgwk Hemgsi Y-axis vertical approx. 300 mm Z axis designed for max. Drilling depth 1000 mm

Condition: like new (used), The machine is completely overhauled and therefore as good as new! Technical specifications Drilling method : single-lip drilling Number of spindles 1 Drilling range in steel D= 1-6 mm Drilling depth 420 mm Max. workpiece length 420 mm Manufacturer: TBT / SFT New electrics and new controls! Dcedpsfgwlbsfx Amgsi

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, The deep hole drilling machine is in a very good condition! Deep hole drilling machine type TBM 120-2000 Drilling system BTA Dedpfjhwhx Hox Amgoci Drilling range full drilling 30-130 mm Max. boring 200 mm Max. drilling depth 2000 mm Drill spindle box with two-stage gear, electrically switchable. Optional rotating / stationary tool Main spindle box (tailstock) with two-stage gear, electrically switchable Tailstock with counter-rotation Optionally with or without counter-rotation Hydraulic jaw chuck On request we will be happy to send you more pictures.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, The deep hole drilling machine is in very good condition! Deep hole drilling machine type TBM 120-2000 Drilling system BTA Min. drilling diameter D 35 mm Max. solid drilling D 130 mm Max. counterboring D 170 mm Main spindle block with two-stage gearbox -Drive Ax AC motor 37 kW with brake for spindle locking 1200-1500 rpm -Drill spindle block with two-stage gearbox 50-500 rpm, 450-1200 rpm, electrically switchable. Optional rotating / stationary tool. Main spindle box (tailstock) with two-stage gear electr. switchable Tailstock with counter-rotation Optionally with or without counter-rotation Hydraulic jaw chuck. Main and drill spindle speed continuously adjustable Machine bed as welded construction Guideways in linear roller design size 65 -Drill carriage movement via ball screw, gear and servo motor 3 kW Rapid traverse max. 3000 mm/min Dcjdpfoq A S Ekjx Amgsi Maximum feed rate: 1000 mm/in. Hydraulically attachable drill bushing holder 2 x attachable steady rests 2 x roller pre-centering devices D20-100 mm 2 x Boza drilling range D 8-200 mm with chip chute and suction pump Scraper conveyor -1-axis CNC control PS 100 SFT for controlling and monitoring the drilling cycle Torque monitoring of the drilling spindle and feed rate in % painting: blue/gray, RAL 5015/7035

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 106882-11, total length: 4,400 mm, total width: 1,700 mm, total height: 2,700 mm, overall weight: 7,000 kg, The drilling process of the deep hole drilling machine utilizes the single-lip drilling method. Drilling Unit Information: - Drilling depth: 200 mm - Min./max. drilling diameter: 1–12 mm based on ST 60 - Number of spindles: 2 - Spindle distance: 200 mm - Spindle drive: 2 x 2.4/4.2 kW - Infinitely variable spindle speed: 1,000–20,000 rpm - Infinitely variable feed rate: 10–25,000 mm/min - Rapid traverse: 25,000 mm/min - Slide travel (nominal): 650 mm - Slide width: 460 mm - X-axis slide travel: 200 mm, rapid traverse: 25,000 mm/min - Y-axis slide travel: 200 mm, rapid traverse: 25,000 mm/min Fluid Information: - Coolant supply: deep hole drilling oil - Tank capacity: 500 liters - 1x automatic filter, filter performance: 50 l/min - 1x monitoring filter - 2x ELB drilling oil supply lines - 1x flow divider Dcsdpfxowh Rp Ej Amgsi - 1x air cooler with recirculation pump - 1x electrostatic oil mist extraction unit - 1x scraper belt chip conveyor - 1x hydraulic unit and pneumatic unit/equipment - 1x sump pump - 3x submersible pumps - 1x radial piston pump with remote adjustment: Delivery rate: 1–38 l/min Pump drive: 7.5 kW Spindle Unit: - Motorized spindles with frequency-controlled, infinitely variable speed regulation - Spindle head with connection for tool holder - 2 x tool holders for collet sleeves according to VDI 3208 SE10x60, permanently bolted to the spindle head of the motorized spindle Drill Bushing Carrier: - The drill bushing carrier is positionable via the NC axis - Cast iron design, mounted on linear guideways - W-axis drive via AC servomotor and ball screw with indirect, absolute position measurement system Workpiece Slide: - The workpiece slide is designed as a cross-slide for vertical and horizontal positioning of the workpiece, for mounting clamping plates or special fixtures - Base unit in cast iron design with linear roller guideways - X and Y axes driven by AC servomotors and ball screws - Direct, absolute position measurement systems. Table plate with clamping or alignment grooves Clamping Table with NC rotary indexing device for positioning: - With rotary and swivel axes - Hydraulic clamping in rotary and swivel axes Technical Data: - Swivel range: 270º - Rotary range: 360º - Center height: 25 ± 0.02 - Spindle distance: 200 ± 0.005 - Indexing accuracy: rotary axis ± 15" / swivel axis ± 30" Electrical Equipment Information: - 1x drilling process monitoring - 1x CNC control 840D (Solution Line) Connection Data: - Operating voltage: 3AC 400V ± 10% - Frequency: 50 Hz - Control voltage: 24 V DC - Total rated power: 25 kW Additional Machine Equipment: - 2 x holders for resilient drill bushing holders, arranged on the drill bushing carrier - For max. drilling Ø18 mm.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, workpiece weight (max.): 170 kg, grinding spindle speed: 45,000 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 5,000 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 45,000 rpm, clamping diameter: 140 mm, clamping length: 1,100 mm, warranty duration: 12 months, Workpiece Clamping Diameter : ø 3 – 140 mm (Optional: ø 210 mm) Dodpfxswv Nq Ro Amgjci Workpiece Diameter : ø 3 – 310 mm Workpiece Length : 50 – 1.100 mm Centre Hole Diameter : ø 1 – 60 mm (Optional ø 100 mm) Workpiece Weight : max. 170 kg (Optional 1,000 kg) Center Hole Angle : 60 ° Accuracy : < 1 µm (Submicron accuracy) Spindle Speed : 5.000 – 45.000 rpm Grinding Cone Movements : 3+1 Rotation Orbital rotation Stroke movement +1 Workpeice rotation Quirlig Grinding Technique : Included (Cross-hatched grinding pattern) Semi-Auto Grinding Cone Dressing : Included Workpiece Rotation : Available (as a option) Dust Extraction And Filtration : Available (as a option) Grinding Process : Manual Sectors: : Precision Grinding, Aviation, Automotive, Machinery etc. Benefits: Sub-micron Precision: Achieve sub-micron (< 1 µm) precision in grinding thanks to Swiss engineering and a robust machine design. Sustainable Reliability: Ensure reliable and sustainable processing. Cost Efficiency & High Productivity: Benefit from lower production costs and high productivity due to a short grinding process and reduced production times for subsequent processes (cylindrical grinding). Quirlig Grinding Technique: Experience an optimized grinding process with the Quirlig Grinding Technique. Properly ground center holes that have cross-hatched grinding pattern. The cross-hatched grinding pattern ensures that oil is retained when the workpiece is placed between the centers during the cylindrical grinding process, creating a micro oil layer. The micro oil layer prevents unwanted "dry running" during cylindrical grinding. Low Maintenance Costs: Enjoy low maintenance costs throughout the machine's service life, thanks to Swiss-quality construction. The Zentroflex M-series center hole grinding machines are designed to deliver high-precision cylindrical grinding in the aviation, automotive, and machinery sectors. Additionally, the Zentroflex M-series is the ideal solution for recovering parts distorted after heat treatment or for reducing cylindrical grinding costs. Contact us for more details.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, workpiece weight (max.): 170 kg, grinding spindle speed: 45,000 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 5,000 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 45,000 rpm, clamping diameter: 140 mm, clamping length: 1,100 mm, warranty duration: 12 months, Workpiece Clamping Diameter : ø 3 – 140 mm (Optional: ø 210 mm) Workpiece Diameter : ø 3 – 310 mm Workpiece Length : 50 – 1.100 mm Centre Hole Diameter : ø 1 – 60 mm (Optional ø 100 mm) Workpiece Weight : max. 170 kg (Optional 1,000 kg) Center Hole Angle : 60 ° Accuracy : < 1 µm (Submicron accuracy) Spindle Speed : 5.000 – 45.000 rpm Grinding Cone Movements : 3+1 Rotation Orbital rotation Stroke movement +1 Workpeice rotation Quirlig Grinding Technique : Included (Cross-hatched grinding pattern) Grinding Process : Robotic, Complete-CNC Control Panel : Beckhoff CNC Movements : Z1-Axis, Z2-Axis, Workpiece clamping Feeding : Stäubli robot arm for loading, unloading and aligning Automatic Grinding Cone Dressing : Included Automatic Compensation After Dressing: Included Indurstry 4.0 Compatibility : Available Workpiece Rotation : Available (as a option) Dust Extraction And Filtration : Available (as a option) Sectors: : Precision Grinding, Aviation, Automotive, Machinery etc. Benefits: Sub-micron Precision: Achieve sub-micron (< 1 µm) precision in grinding thanks to Swiss engineering and a robust machine design. Sustainable Reliability: Ensure reliable and sustainable processing. Non-Stop Production: Achieve continuous production with robotic arm feeding, automatic dressing, and automatic compensation features, eliminating the need for constant operator oversight. Quirlig Grinding Technique: Experience an optimized grinding process with the Quirlig Grinding Technique. Properly ground center holes that have cross-hatched grinding pattern. The cross-hatched grinding pattern ensures that oil is retained when the workpiece is placed between the centers during the cylindrical grinding process, creating a micro oil layer. The micro oil layer prevents unwanted "dry running" during cylindrical grinding. Easy to Use Complete-CNC Control Panel: Utilize a full CNC control panel that allows you to control all axes of the machine, manage robotic feeding, and perform automatic dressing with the Beckhoff control panel. Easily save all grinding programs and monitor machine working times, efficiency, and errors. Industry 4.0: Fully compatible with Industry 4.0 applications, thanks to the Beckhoff control panel. Low Maintenance Costs: Enjoy low maintenance costs throughout the machine's service life, thanks to Swiss-quality construction. Dedpfju Nmi Nex Amgeci The Zentroflex A-series center hole grinding machines are designed to deliver high-precision cylindrical grinding in the aviation, automotive, and machinery sectors for mass-production. Additionally, the Zentroflex A-series is the ideal solution for recovering parts distorted after heat treatment or for reducing cylindrical grinding costs. With 6-Axis robot arm and servo motors on all axes of the machine, Zentroflex A-series center hole grinding machines operate completely autonomously. All loading and unloading operations are performed by the robot arm. All axis movements of the machine are also performed autonomously with servo motors. Cone dressing and compensation are also performed automatically. All movements and measurements of the machine are performed from the CNC control panel. Contact us for more details.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, workpiece weight (max.): 170 kg, grinding spindle speed: 45,000 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 5,000 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 45,000 rpm, clamping diameter: 140 mm, clamping length: 1,100 mm, warranty duration: 12 months, Workpiece Clamping Diameter : ø 3 – 140 mm (Optional ø 210 mm) Workpiece Diameter : ø 3 – 310 mm Workpiece Length : 50 – 1.100 mm Centre Hole Diameter : ø 1 – 60 mm (Optional ø 100 mm) Workpiece Weight : max. 170 kg (Optional 1,000 kg) Center Hole Angle : 60 ° Accuracy : < 1 µm (Submicron accuracy) Spindle Speed : 5.000 – 45.000 rpm Grinding Cone Movements : 3+1 Rotation Orbital rotation Stroke movement +1 Workpeice rotation Quirlig Grinding Technique : Included (Cross-hatched grinding pattern) Grinding Process : Semi-Automatic, CNC Control Panel : Beckhoff CNC Movements : Z-Axis Indurstry 4.0 Compatibility : Available Semi-Auto Grinding Cone Dressing : Included Workpiece Rotation : Available (as a option) Dust Extraction And Filtration : Available (as a option) Sectors : Precision Grinding, Aviation, Automotive, Machinery etc. Benefits: Sub-micron Precision: Achieve sub-micron (< 1 µm) precision in grinding thanks to Swiss engineering and a robust machine design. Dedpfx Aswhi Sremgsci Sustainable Reliability: Ensure reliable and sustainable processing. Cost Efficiency & High Productivity: Benefit from lower production costs and high productivity due to a short grinding process and reduced production times for subsequent processes (cylindrical grinding). Quirlig Grinding Technique: Experience an optimized grinding process with the Quirlig Grinding Technique. Properly ground center holes that have cross-hatched grinding pattern. The cross-hatched grinding pattern ensures that oil is retained when the workpiece is placed between the centers during the cylindrical grinding process, creating a micro oil layer. The micro oil layer prevents unwanted "dry running" during cylindrical grinding. Easy to Use CNC Control Panel: Benefit from very simple operation and grinding program recording with the Beckhoff control panel and Z-axis servo movement. Industry 4.0: Fully compatible with Industry 4.0 applications, thanks to the Beckhoff control panel. Low Maintenance Costs: Enjoy low maintenance costs throughout the machine's service life, thanks to Swiss-quality construction. The Zentroflex SA-series center hole grinding machines are designed to deliver high-precision cylindrical grinding in the aviation, automotive, and machinery sectors. Additionally, the Zentroflex SA-series is the ideal solution for recovering parts distorted after heat treatment or for reducing cylindrical grinding costs. Z-Axis movement is provided by servo motor in CNC form. The part is loaded-unloaded and clamped manually. Settings are made from CNC control panel and grinding is started by pressing the start button. No other manual setting or control is made during grinding. Contact us for more details.

Condition: ready for operation (used), -Drill diameter: 5~25 mm -Drilling depth: 1000 mm -Tailstock Dcodpfx Asdgpltsmgji -Tank -Pump -Filter

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1979, TBT T30-4-750/1000 -Drill diameter ~30 -Drilling depth 750 / Extension ~1000 -Tank -Pumps Dodped Ri H Ejfx Amgeci -Loading device -Tailstock

Condition: reconditioned (used), -Drill diameter: 5~25 mm -Drilling depth: 1500 mm -Tailstock -Tank -Pump Dsdpfx Ajhuil Romgsci -Filter

Condition: good (used), - Drilling diameter: 5-30 mm - Drilling depth: 750~900 mm - Modifications according to customer requirements Dedpfxj Dcz Ds Amgsci

Condition: reconditioned (used), Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 19,500 h, functionality: fully functional, workpiece weight (max.): 750 kg, travel distance X-axis: 350 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 220 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 220 mm, total height: 201 mm, total length: 205 mm, total width: 202 mm, wire diameter (max.): 0.3 mm, workpiece height (max.): 220 mm, workpiece width (max.): 550 mm, workpiece length (max.): 1,000 mm, type of input current: three-phase, overall weight: 2,450 kg, Charmilles FI240SL, year 2006. The machine can be inspected at our premises in Semsales during April. The machine will be fully cleaned and serviced. Viewing available on request. Dcodpoylkr Tefx Amgoi

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2017, operating hours: 3,751 h, functionality: fully functional, workpiece weight (max.): 750 kg, travel distance X-axis: 350 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 220 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 220 mm, total height: 201 mm, total length: 220 mm, total width: 202 mm, wire diameter (max.): 0.3 mm, workpiece height (max.): 220 mm, workpiece width (max.): 550 mm, workpiece length (max.): 1,000 mm, type of input current: three-phase, table width: 450 mm, table length: 680 mm, empty load weight: 2,450 kg, feed length Y-axis: 3,300 mm, GF CUT200SP, year 2017. Machine available at our Semsales premises in April. The machine will be fully cleaned and serviced. 0.1 mm option. Wire chopper. Dcsdpfsyk Upaex Amgei

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2010, operating hours: 9,563 h, functionality: fully functional, workpiece weight (max.): 1,000 kg, travel distance X-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 350 mm, total height: 2,320 mm, total length: 3,100 mm, total width: 2,800 mm, wire diameter (max.): 0.25 mm, workpiece height (max.): 350 mm, workpiece width (max.): 800 mm, workpiece length (max.): 1,030 mm, type of input current: three-phase, table width: 630 mm, overall weight: 4,440 kg, table length: 950 mm, GF CUT30P - 2010. Available for inspection at our premises in Semsales (Switzerland). Viewing by appointment. More information upon request. Dedpfx Amjyazkcjgsci

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, workpiece weight (max.): 1,500 kg, travel distance X-axis: 530 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 350 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 300 mm, table load: 1,500 kg, Equipment: cooling unit, documentation/manual, Mitsubishi FA20-VS Wire EDM (2006) We offer for sale a high-quality Mitsubishi FA20-VS wire EDM machine, year of manufacture 2006. The machine is in very good technical condition and can be fully tested under power. Basic Technical Data Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Electric Model: FA20-VS Year of manufacture: 2006 Control system: Mitsubishi CNC Axis travels: X: 500 mm Y: 350 mm Z: 300 mm Table size: approx. 780 × 630 mm Max. workpiece weight: approx. 1500 kg Wire diameter: 0.2 – 0.3 mm Machine Advantages • Stable and precise Mitsubishi construction • Suitable for toolshops and series production • Reliable technology with low operating costs Condition and Delivery The machine can be personally inspected under power. Delivery may include: • Installation at customer site • Commissioning Dcjdpfx Ajyvhtwjmgoi • Basic operator training Installation can be provided across the entire EU.

Condition: used, Selling various small machines from old stocks. The following machines are available: Welding machines grooving machines riveting machines Punching machines pumps Dcodpjrn Syxjfx Amgsi The pictures are only a small excerpt

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, drilling depth: 1,500 mm, feed length X-axis: 3,250 mm, feed length Y-axis: 1,500 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,200 rpm, table load: 35,000 kg, CNC SELCA 4040 DH Maximum drilling depth in single cycle, V axis: 1,500 mm Column, longitudinal travel X axis: 3,250 mm Vertical travel Y axis: 1,500 mm Drilling slide, workpiece support movement W axis: 500 mm Maximum workpiece height: 2,400 mm Clamping table and workpiece approach movement U axis: 1,000 mm Controlled radial resolution, B axis: 360,000 divisions/rev Clamping table, rotating surface size: 1,600 x 1,800 mm Clamping table, max load with rotating workpiece: 20,000 kg Standard T-slot size: 22 mm Minimum–maximum solid drilling diameter: 5 – 50 mm Rapid feed rate, adjustable max speed: 8,000 mm/min Drilling spindle rotation speed, adjustable: 1 – 4,200 rpm Drilling spindle motor power: 15 kW Gun drill tool holders: Dcsdpfxjyymdie Amgoi Shank for drill Ø < 6 mm: Ø 10 x 40 mm Shank for drill 6 mm < Ø < 25 mm: Ø 25 x 70 mm Shank for drill Ø > 25 mm: Ø 40 x 70 mm Dimensions and weights Width x Length x Height MF 1500 BB: 5,900 x 7,600 x 3,850 mm Total weight: 42,000 kg Oil tank capacity: 600 – 1,200 liters WORK SLIDE TILTING Minimum / maximum vertical inclination – A axis: +20° / -20° Continuous controlled radial resolution: 0.001° MILLING HEAD – ISO 50 spindle connection Max horizontal working stroke – Z + W axes: 1,000 mm Column longitudinal travel – X axis: 3,250 mm Drilling slide vertical travel – Y axis: 1,500 mm Spindle rotation speed, adjustable max: 2,500 rpm Spindle power (S1 duty): 17 kW Maximum spindle torque: 680 Nm ROTO-TRANSLATING CLAMPING TABLE Max clamping surface: 2,000 x 2,000 mm Max horizontal travel – U axis: 1,000 mm Continuous controlled radial resolution: 0.001° Max rotating workpiece load: 35,000 kg Standard T-slot size: 22 mm Machine complete with: • Remote electronic handwheel • ISO 50 tool changer magazine with 10 positions • Many tools and working equipment • Rack with various drills • User manual, maintenance manual, and CE conformity declaration

Condition: excellent (used), IM Very good condition. Dedpsytc Najfx Amgeci

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2000, functionality: fully functional, drilling depth: 600 mm, rotational speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, center height: 250 mm, controller model: SIEMENS Sinumerik 840 D, workpiece diameter (max.): 25 mm, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! The machine has been completely overhauled! TECHNICAL DETAILS Working depth: 600 mm Working diameter: 4 – 25 mm Number of spindles: 2 Centre height: 250 mm Centre distance: 203.2 mm Speed range: 1,000 – 6,000 rpm Feed rate: 0 – 300 mm/min Rapid traverse: 6,000 mm/min MACHINE DETAILS Control system: SIEMENS Sinumerik 840 D (Retrofit) Drilling system: Single-lip deep hole drilling Dcsdpfsxpvbtjx Amgei Main drive: 2 x 5.5 kW EQUIPMENT - Single functions for machine setup - Semi-automatic operation for manual loading - Robust spindle carriage - Machine monitoring with spindle speed display - Table plate in special cast design - Safety guard with sliding door - Machine bed with hardened and ground linear guides - Internal coolant supply through drilling spindle - Electrical equipment according to IEC standards - Separate control cabinet with safety devices - Control panel in working area