Used Heller Fp 4000 for sale (3,399)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2016, controller manufacturer: Heidenhain / Siemens, controller model: TNC620, _____ Description: Year of manuf. : 2016 Control : Heidenhain / Siemens TNC620 Movement X/Y/Z : 4100/420/300 mm Tool holder : SK40 In general: Bdsdsy Ea Huepfx Al Iob Model:AP-B 4000 Automatic Profile Machining Center Machining length:4,000 mm Travel ranges X/Y/Z:4,100 / 420 / 300 mm Machine cover:Pneumatically operated, opens upward Controls:Operator terminal can move along the machine Control:Heidenhain TNC 620 CNC control Additional control:Heidenhain HR130 handwheel Table specifications:Size 16 T-slots, mounted longitudinally to the X-axis Working surface:4,200 x 420 mm Spindle: Motor power:14 kW S1 / 19 kW S6 Motor cooling:Water with additive Speed range:100 to 14,000 rpm Rated speed:1,800 rpm Torque:74 Nm S1 / 100 Nm S6 Drilling capacity in St 60/aluminum:25 mm/30 mm Thread size in St 60/aluminum:M20/M30 Tool magazine: Tool holder:SK 40 Tool clamping system:Spring-loaded clamping system with 9 kN clamping force Configuration:12-round magazine Tool change time:approx. 10 sec Coolant: Description:Coolant system (emulsion) Flow rate:40–60 l/min Tank capacity:250 l Extras:Coolant flush gun Accessories/Extras Waste management:Chip tray with 4 drawers Safety:Pendulum operation with light barriers

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, travel distance X-axis: 1,600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, controller manufacturer: Fanuc, overall weight: 9,000 kg, table length: 825 mm, table width: 625 mm, controller model: 21i MB, Travelling Bridge CNC Vertical Machining Centre Table size (2) 825 x 625 mm. Number of pallets: 2 Bsdpfjyu Trhex Al Iodb Movement x-Axis 1600 mm. Movement y-Axis 600 mm. Movement z-Axis 500 mm. 4th Axis (Rotary table) NC Max table load 1200 kg Number of tools in magazine 51 pieces. Maximum spindle speed 12.000 R/pm. Tool taper DIN 69871A CNC control Fanuc 21i MB If you have any questions concerning the machine, please do not hesitate to contact us by phone or e-mail. Feel free to view our other advertisements for a complete overview of our stock.

Condition: new, mileage: 450 km, power: 206 kW (280.08 HP), fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 14,000 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, color: white, gearing type: automatic, loading space volume: 12 m³, loading space length: 7,280 mm, loading space width: 2,480 mm, loading space height: 700 mm, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, electronic stability program (ESP), Transmission * Automatic transmission, 8 speeds Assistance systems * Adaptive cruise control * Blind spot assist * Lane departure warning * Rearview camera * Drowsiness detection * Hill start assist * Traffic sign recognition Lighting and visibility * Headlight range adjustment * Tinted windows * Daytime running lights Audio & Communication * Radio * Digital radio reception DAB * Audio interface * Bluetooth hands-free system Exterior * Air suspension * Maul-type trailer hitch * Electrically adjustable and heated exterior mirrors * Differential lock * Twin tires * Spare wheel * Spare wheel carrier * Connection plug 1x15-pin * Foldable sideboards Bdjdpfxeyz E S Ue Al Ieb * Storage box Safety * Electronic Stability Program ESP * Traction control ASR * Anti-lock braking system ABS * Kerb mirror * Tire pressure monitoring * Immobilizer * Emergency brake assist Interior * Fabric seats * Digital tachograph * Multifunction steering wheel * On-board computer * Sun visor * Wooden cargo area floor * Rubber flooring Comfort * Air conditioning * Comfort driver's seat * Air-sprung driver’s seat * Height-adjustable driver’s seat * Heated driver's seat * Passenger bench seat * Power steering * Adjustable steering column * Electric windows * Central locking * Voltage converter Cargo area * Length 7,280 mm, width 2,480 mm, height 700 mm * Volume 12 m³ Other dimensions and weights * Permissible total weight: 14,000 kg * Gross train weight: 26,000 kg * Wheelbase: 5,175 mm ----- Special price - New vehicle / New model MY24 - Detailed offer available on request - Financing / hire purchase / leasing available on request under top conditions - WRV / maintenance contract available individually at extra cost - Surcharge for beacons, flashing lights, work lights, storage boxes, etc. individually on request - Delivery possible at extra cost - Interim sale reserved - Your contacts: - Mr. Axel Scheske, Tel. Mr. Luca Netter, Tel.

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, maximum load weight: 27,000 kg, overall weight: 8,809 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 04/2022, total length: 14,040 mm, total width: 2,600 mm, suspension: air, color: white, Year of construction: 2022, Equipment: cooling unit, full service history, power assisted steering, Technical specifications Bdodjyvqkrspfx Al Isb FP 60 SMART. THERMO KING SLXi 300 - 50 with BlueBox, OptiSet and modulation. 2 temperature sensors for CargoWatch FP double leaf insulated rear door, NX17 foam, w. double stainl. steel lock. mech. Plastic toolbox with cover holder, sleeves and drawer behind the unit. SCHMITZ black plastic fuel tank 245l 1 filling neck; BIO-Diesel proofing. Tyres 385/65 R22.5. Overall length - 13550mm. Overall trailer width - 2600mm. Total height (unladen) - 4000mm. Pallet rack for 36 Euro/ 24 ISO pallets. ROTOS SCB running gear (disc brakes).

Condition: used, mileage: 500 km, power: 426 kW (579.20 HP), first registration: 04/2026, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 8,453 kg, maximum load weight: 9,547 kg, overall weight: 18,000 kg, axle configuration: 4x2, wheelbase: 3,800 mm, color: grey, driver cabin: other, gearing type: automatic, suspension: air, number of seats: 2, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, cruise control, differential lock, navigation system, parking heater, traction control, Unladen weight: 8,453 kg, permissible total weight: 18,000 kg, 1st axle: 385/55 R22.5, 2nd axle: 315/70 R22.5, fabric seats, air suspension, intarder, digital tachograph, fifth wheel coupling, electronic braking system (EBS), electronic stability program (ESP), traction control system (ASR), automatic climate control, stationary air conditioning, adaptive cruise control (ACC) with stop and go, comfort seats for driver and passenger, air-suspended driver/passenger seat, driver/passenger armrest, seat heating for driver/passenger, LED headlights, radio, digital radio reception (DAB), multifunction display, sound system, Bluetooth hands-free preparation, lane departure warning system, reversing camera, rain sensor, multifunction leather steering wheel, power steering, adjustable steering column, alloy wheels, electric windows, outside temperature display, roof spoiler, fog lights, tire pressure monitoring system, immobilizer, central locking with remote control, sun visor, twin tires, axle load indicator, light bar with lamps, ambient lighting, hill start assist, LED daytime running lights, electro-hydraulic roof lift, cornering lights, light sensor, digital instrument cluster, Android Auto & Apple CarPlay, touchscreen operation, driver seat ventilation, traffic sign recognition, emergency braking assistant, digital exterior mirrors, Driver Assistant Package, Driving Comfort Plus Package, Full LED Package, Living Comfort Plus Package, Premium Style Package, third vehicle key, roof, side spoilers and side trim in cab color, electronic parking brake, electrohydraulic power steering, foldable passenger-side table, left and right luggage compartments, LED tail lights, aluminum air tanks, air suspension for cab, Night Time Safety Lock, lift axle switch for the semi-trailer, horn behind bumper, hybrid bumper, right-side blind spot monitoring system, PTO preparation, area monitoring, reversible warning buzzer with on/off switch, errors and changes excepted. Bodpfx Aljy Ihk Te Isdb

Condition: ready for operation (used), * Brand: Hazemag * Model: vibrating chute Bodpfx Alsywmmle Iedb * Dim. vibrating chute: length 4000 mm - width 1400 mm. * Driving: 2 pieces vibration motors of each 5,6 kW. * Incl.: springs.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1989, x-travel 300 mm y-travel 300 mm z-travel 400 mm CNC-control DIALOG 11 spindle taper ISO 40 spindle turning speed range 31 - 5.000 U/min table-size 620 x 390 mm table load 250 kg power capacity 5,5 kW feeds -stepless- 2 - 6.000 mm/min quill stroke 80 mm voltage 380 V total power requirement 11,0 kVA weight of the machine ca. 1,65 t dimensions of the machine ca. 1,85 x 1,90 x 1,80 m electric cabinet 1,35 x 0,70 x 1,70 m - Serial-No.: 2836-0175 - control: DIALOG 11 - electrical hand wheel - horizontal milling spindle - coolant equipment Bodpfjx Ndbqox Al Isdb

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, maximum load weight: 27,000 kg, overall weight: 8,809 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 10/2019, total length: 13,400 mm, total width: 2,460 mm, suspension: air, color: white, Year of construction: 2019, Equipment: cooling unit, full service history, power assisted steering, Technical specifications Cooling unit - THERMO KING SLXi 300, diesel and electrical Axles producer - SCB Full air suspension Insulated double rear doors with 4 steel lockrods FP insulated sidewall, 60 mm Plastic toolbox with cover holder Fuel tank, 245 l Electronic brake system EBS Anti-lock braking system ABS ROTOS SCB (disc brakes) Thermometer Insulated ventilation flap in the left hand rear door Contact switch for rear door Aluminium barley seed floor Basket type spare wheel carrier for 2 wheels (6+1) tyres - 385/65R22.5 (11.75x22.5) Loading capacity 33 euro paletts Length/width/heigth - 1340cm/246cm/265cm Gross vehicle weight - 39 000 kg Approximate own weight - 8 410 kg 3 axles Bedpfxsyu R His Al Ijdb Pallet rack for 36 Euro pallets

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, travel distance X-axis: 8,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 3,200 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,600 mm, Heidenhain TNC 7 Water-cooled inline motor 43 kW / 900 Nm Travel distances: X = 8,000 Y = 3,200 Z = 1,600 Milling heads: 0.001° x 0.001°, 6,000 rpm Additional equipment: Tool changer for 60 tools 1 chip conveyor Selectable NC tables Plate fields Carousel rotary tables Optional: Fully automatic milling head change system Bdedjqy Hinopfx Al Isb Pendulum machining Splash guard enclosure Operator support technology packages

Year of construction: 2013, condition: used, Make: PAUL VON DER BANK GMBH, Type: Robotic Welding System, Year of manufacture: 2013, Serial No.: 13.536, Welding source, make Fronius, type CM TransPuls Synergic 4000, Cooling unit, Welding unit VR7000CMT, Programming terminal RCU5000I, Positioner table, Welding robot, make KUKA, type KR5-2ARC, Robot controller KRC4, Extraction system, make Plymovent – System not connected. Bdedpfx Ajyx Exvel Ieb

Condition: new, neu ca. 12 Wochen ab Auftrags Türkei 19100 € 366.72 € 4000 kg 1300 mm 450 - 550 mm 600 mm 50 mm Bdedpfxswirz Ej Al Iob 80 mm motorized drive mechanical adjustable coil mandrel with 4 jaws speed control for decoiling speed aswell as acceleration- and deceleration times photoelectric proximity ensor SICK for sag control ALTERNATIVES (prices on request): Version with pneumatic pressure arm Version with brake, without motor, with or withaout pneumatic pressure arm

Condition: used, maximum load weight: 27,731 kg, overall weight: 36,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 12/2016, Year of construction: 2016, LxWxH 13,625x2,480x2,700 mm, LaSi EN 12642 XL, foldable tail lift Bär 2,000kg, lift axle, 3x lashing rails, tail lift Bdjdpfx Asyzvzajl Ijb

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1998, Transnorm Rising falling Incline belt conveyor with leading belt GF 25000+4000-1000-900 RA2288 Technical data: Conveyor length (NL): 29000 mm ( 25000 mm riser segment + 4000 mm forerun) frame width (NB): 1000 mm, 1100 mm with motor belt width (GuB): 900 mm Overall height (BH): 80 mm, 430 mm with motor Angle: freely adjustable between 0 and 15° Supporting feet: optionally available Conveying speed (v m/s): 0,2 Drive: SEW gear motor, Electrical data: 50Hz V380-500, kW2,2 S1 Drive drum: Ø = 81 mm Bdedpfxotp Tv Es Al Isb Belt return roller: Ø = 81 mm Optionally available: Supports Side guide on one side and on both sides Frequency converter for stepless speed change Adjust length (longer/shorter) Prices net plus VAT ex central warehouse Dr. Sonntag GmbH & Co KG, 97076 Würzburg, Germany For individual, professional advice, simply contact us. Simply contact us by phone or e-mail. We will be happy to help you with the planning and implementation of your projects. We look forward to hearing from you. With kind regards Your team at Dr. Sonntag GmbH & Co. KG Your specialist and contact for intralogistics

Condition: good (used), Tool milling machine DECKEL FP 33 incl. 3-axis digital readout / Heidenhain - Three-axis digital readout Heidenhain - Technical data sheet: see image Bdedpfxoy Efyas Al Iob - Various accessories - Crane - Documentation Dimensions (LxWxH): 2x5x2x2.8 meters / Weight: 4500 kg Errors and input mistakes excepted.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1999, x-travel 3.700 mm y-travel 1.500 mm z-travel 1.000 mm Control Heidenhain Bedpjyxr Nnjfx Al Ijdb table dimensions 4.000 x 1.000 mm table load capacity 10.000 kg spindle tunring speed 3.000 U/min tool taper ISO 50 number of tool places 30 Pos. In our assessment, the machine is in good used condition and can be inspected under power by appointment. Accessories, tools, and clamping devices shown are only included in the scope of delivery if this is noted in the additional information. Technical data and specifications are subject to change without notice and errors. Prior sale is reserved.

Year of construction: 2025, condition: used, functionality: fully functional, HUSQVARNA Cut-Off Grinder K 4000 Wet — Year of manufacture 2025 Used, from the professional rental fleet of Kurt König Baumaschinen GmbH, Einbeck, Germany. Condition & Notes: - Condition: Used, ex-rental, regularly serviced - Functionality: Fully operational - Product photos to follow — please contact us for current images - On-site inspection in 37574 Einbeck available by appointment Price EUR 800 plus VAT | EXW Einbeck | Delivery upon request Bdsdpfoy A Hdhex Al Isb

Year of construction: 2025, condition: used, functionality: fully functional, HUSQVARNA Cut-Off Grinder K 4000 Cut-n-Break — Year of manufacture 2025 Used, from the professional rental fleet of Kurt König Baumaschinen GmbH, Einbeck, Germany. Condition & Notes: Bdodoy A Hapopfx Al Ieb - Condition: Used, ex-rental, regularly serviced - Functionality: Fully operational - Product photos to follow — please contact us for current images - On-site inspection in 37574 Einbeck available by appointment Price EUR 1,600 plus VAT | EXW Einbeck | Delivery upon request

Condition: used, maximum load weight: 31,379 kg, overall weight: 39,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 01/2016, next inspection (TÜV): 04/2027, loading space length: 13,620 mm, loading space width: 2,450 mm, loading space height: 2,700 mm, Equipment: ABS, Due to countless phishing and spam emails, email inquiries can only be processed if YOU PROVIDE YOUR VALID PHONE NUMBER! Unfortunately, we CANNOT process email inquiries WITHOUT a phone number! We ask for your understanding! For telephone or WhatsApp inquiries, please note: * Galvanized chassis * Double deck WITHOUT loading bars * ROTOS Schmitz axles with disc brakes Bjdpfx Aoyl E Susl Isdb * Portal doors * Air suspension with lifting/lowering device * Unladen weight: approx. 7,621 kg * Cargo compartment dimensions LxWxH = 13,620 x 2,450 x 2,700 mm * Tires 385/65 R 22.5 Subject to errors and prior sale.

Condition: used, MAKE – TUSCAN MODEL – TL29 YEAR – 2002 CONTROL – FANUC OT TURRET – 8 POSITION WITH LOADS OF HOLDERS SWING OVER BED – 740 mm SWING OVER CROSS SLIDE – 420 mm CENTRE DISTANCE – 4000 mm SPINDLE BORE – 250 mm TRAVERSES – X-AXIS 500 mm/Z-AXIS 3700 mm Bsdowmlcdepfx Al Isdb SPEED – 15-700 RPM MOTOR – 3 SPEED GEARBOX MOTOR 30KW SWARF CONVEYOR 4 JAW CHUCK SWARF CONVEYOR

Condition: used, mileage: 513,908 km, power: 309 kW (420.12 HP), first registration: 02/2018, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 9,580 kg, maximum load weight: 16,420 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 6x2, wheelbase: 4,800 mm, color: white, driver cabin: other, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, suspension: steel-air, number of seats: 2, Year of construction: 2017, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, cruise control, differential lock, onboard computer, parking heater, traction control, trailer coupling, CERTIFIED PRE-OWNED standard, color Pure White IC 082, unladen weight: 9,580 kg, gross vehicle weight: 26,000 kg, 1st axle: 315/70 R22.5, 2nd axle: 315/70 R22.5, fabric seats, interior color grey, leaf-air suspension, lift axle, Intarder: ZF, digital tachograph, towing hitch (jaw-type), BDF swap chassis, electronic braking system (EBS), brake assist, electronic stability program (ESP), traction control (ASR), automatic climate control, stationary air conditioning, adaptive cruise control (ACC), auxiliary heater with programmable timer, comfort driver/passenger seats, air-suspended driver/passenger seats, height-adjustable driver/passenger seats, driver/passenger armrests, driver seat heating, headlamp washer, radio/CD, multi-function display, AUX & USB port, Bluetooth hands-free system, lane departure warning, multifunction leather steering wheel, power steering, adjustable steering column, driver lumbar support, alloy wheels: Alcoa, electric windows (2x), outside temperature display, fog lights, electrically adjustable and heated exterior mirrors, kerb mirror, wide-angle mirror, tire pressure monitoring, immobilizer, central locking with remote control, rear differential lock, underrun protection, sun visor, twin tires, fire extinguisher holder (2x), hill start assist (Hill Holder), LED daytime running lights, 1x 15-pin connector, cup holder, sailing function (ECO-Roll), telematics system pre-installation, speed limiter: 90 km/h, driver seat ventilation, voltage converter: 24V/12V, emergency brake assist, lower bunk, suspended cab, ECOSWITCH, VDI interface for telematics systems, ADR electric battery cut-off switch, left-side air connections (ISO-DuoMatic) on plate, lift for front axle (fixed), AdBlue tank heating, OBU pre-installation, driving style analysis (DSE) and driver fatigue detection (DAS), payload 16,420 kg. VEHICLE LOCATION: 90441 NÜRNBERG, DIESELSTRASSE 65 Your contact: Mr. Bächer, Tel. (number), Subject to errors and changes. Bjdpfoywpm Ijx Al Iedb

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, maximum load weight: 27,000 kg, overall weight: 8,806 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 04/2020, total length: 14,040 mm, total width: 2,600 mm, suspension: air, color: white, Year of construction: 2020, Equipment: cooling unit, full service history, power assisted steering, Technical specifications Cooling unit - THERMO KING SLXi 300, diesel and electrical Axles producer - KRONE axles with air suspension and disc brakes (Offser 120) Full air suspension Insulated double rear doors with 4 steel lockrods FP insulated sidewall, 60 mm Plastic toolbox with cover holder Fuel tank, 240 l Electronic brake system EBS Anti-lock braking system ABS Thermometer Ventilation flap, small, at rear, right side, half way up Contact switch for rear door Low noise aluminium floor, suitable for PIEK floor Basket type spare wheel carrier for 2 wheels (6+1) tyres - 385/65R22.5 (11.75x22.5) Length/width/heigth - 1341cm/249cm/265cm Bdjdsyuf E Hopfx Al Iob Max weight - 36 000 kg Own weight - 8 847 kg 3 axles Pallet rack for 36 Euro pallets

Condition: good (used), Cantilever racking, heavy-duty racking, single-sided cantilever racking, pallet racking -Cantilever rack: two-sided, height 4000 mm -Stands: 5x 340/150/H4000 mm / 350/300/3400 mm -Cantilever arms: 70 pieces 140/140/1500 mm -Cross braces: 124 pieces 60/40/1350 mm -Submission/Price: complete -Weight: 4100 kg Bodpfx Aloyu Um Ts Iedb

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1995, x-travel 14000 mm y-travel 5000 mm z-travel 1500 mm w-axis 3000 mm column daylight 4000 mm column: max. dist. table - spindle nose 4500 mm workpiece weight 100 t table dimension - longitudinal 9000 mm table dimension - cross 3000 mm spindle taper ISO SK 50 spindle turning speed range 2-2500 U/min spindle motor 113 kW spindle diameter 200 mm max. torque on the spindle 9500 Nm feed in x - axis 1-10000 mm/min feed in y - axis 1-10000 mm/min feed range Z-direction 1-10000 mm/min rapid traverse 20000 mm/min height over floor 8600 mm control SIEMENS 840C weight of the machine ca. 360 t ATTACHMENTS angular milling head yes autom. tool clamping yes ball spindles yes guideway covers yes coolant unit yes high pressure cooling syst. (through spindle) yes closed cabin yes chip conveyor yes TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION 2 portal milling centres, each with 3 table pallets 9000 x 3000 mm: - Tool changer with 420 tools - Head pick-up system - Video monitoring via camera - High pressure lubrication unit for inner cooling 70bar AVAILABLE HEAD UNITS: - Fixed angle head HS800C600 105 Kw 600 long - Fixed angle head HSD350C850 50 Kw 850 long - Fixed angle head HSD 40C880 12 Kw 880 long - Fixed angle head HSD 190C1000 30 Kw 1000 long - Vertical spindle unit VS800C 105 Kw 900 long - Universal spindle unit USIO40C 20 Kw B-axis rotatable at 1° at a time - Angle spindle unit SO800C905 - 22,5° fix - Angle spindle unit HSE1200CS -25° fix - Universal spindle unit (fork milling) USP475C 75 Kw 1/2° Hirth Bdjdpfx Aljvwgm Ho Ieb --> 1.350 1/min , B-Achse 0,5 Grad Hirth One additional drilling extension SE 350C plus 1 SE500C. DESCRIPTION OF CONDITION In 2011/2012 these 2 identical machines were retrofitted The milling length was extended to 14meters and an automatic changing system for table pallets was installed. Both machines can be seen under power by prior appointment.

Condition: used, first registration: 03/2019, mileage: 1,001 km, gearing type: other, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden, Bdedpfx Aljy Azbhj Ijb ACCESSORIES WITHOUT WARRANTY, subject to alterations, prior sale and errors excepted! - .

Condition: used, empty load weight: 8,462 kg, maximum load weight: 27,538 kg, overall weight: 36,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 08/2018, loading space length: 13,320 mm, loading space width: 2,510 mm, loading space height: 2,790 mm, loading space volume: 92 m³, suspension: air, tire size: 435/50R19.5, color: white, mileage: 1,001 km, gearing type: other, driver cabin: other, Equipment: ABS, Vehicle location: Bovenden, 3 axles, SCB axles (disc brakes), air suspension, first axle liftable, raise/lower function, ABS (anti-lock braking system), doors, underrun protection, side aluminum sideguard protection, fire extinguisher box, landing legs, storage box, refrigeration unit (diesel/electric). Body: insulated 3-axle refrigerated semi-trailer approx. 92 m³ with double-deck system, cargo securing equipment, swing doors, and Carrier Vector 1550 R2 refrigeration unit (electric/diesel), 3x 9t SCB axles, disc brakes, first axle liftable. Loading height approx. 1050 mm! Bdodpfxsy Azbbo Al Isb A total of 18 refrigerated semi-trailers from the years 2015 to 2019 are available, some equipped with a tail lift! ACCESSORY DETAILS WITHOUT GUARANTEE, subject to changes, prior sale, and errors!