Used Punch Former for sale (1,656)

Year of construction: 2004, condition: used, Dimensions (LxBxH): 150 x 65 x 40 cm Manufacturer : Rotex Europe Model: 3242A AL/MS Year : 2004 Type : Rectangular gyratory screener Screen: 5 mm and 30 mm Overall dimensions: 2700 mm x 900 mm Unclogging ball Composite unit : Feed hopper Dimensions: Ø 1300 mm x 700 mm Vibrating conveyor Manufacturer: Scan-Vibro Year of construction: 2005 Outlet diameter: Ø 200 mm Screw conveyor Manufacturer: Fjordvess Maskinfabrik A/S Type : B-200 Year of manufacture : 2005 Isdpfoxxcq Tsx Adija Screw diameter : 200 mm Overall dimensions : 1500 mm x 650 mm x 400 mm,

Condition: good (used), Renz Punch 500 Perforator This machine is in very good condition. The set includes the original machine base. Electric drive, foot pedal control. The set includes a 3:1 round hole perforation tool with a cutout for the hanger. Manufacturer’s description: Perforation device with a working width of up to 500 mm Device designed for continuous operation and heavy loads Foot pedal-operated operation Perforation of up to 40 sheets (4 mm) in a single cycle Quick and easy replacement of perforation strips Ability to use strips with or without a suspension slot Iedpfx Adsxk U Hwjiea Ability to use QSA strips (quick format change by disabling selected needles without having to remove the strip) Ability to use two-piece strips – one tool allows for perforation of both books without a suspension slot and calendars with a suspension slot (in this case, perforation without a suspension slot up to 465 mm) Machine operates on a 3-phase power supply Weight: 120 kg + 50 kg base.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2000, plate punches 1. Beil 780-S-St - 3-hole 780/425 - table 1000-1400 2. Bacher 2005 - 2-hole 425 - table 730-1000 3. Bacher 2045 - 2-hole 425 - table 730-1000 4. Beil 425-T-H - 2-hole 425 - table 520-770 5. Stanze 2-hole 425 - table 420-660 - metal frame - SOLD 6. Billows 2-hole 225 - table 650-950 Isdpfscqxv Tex Adiea 7. Bacher 2032 2-hole 225 - table 300-400 (4) - 1x SOLD 8. Heidelberg SM52 - 425 plate punch 9. Heidelberg SM52 - plate bender - SOLD

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, Metal roof snap lock machine SLP-1 auto with side punching option is the latest project of our company in the direction of equipment for metal roofing production. Snap lock machine SLP-1 auto can produce click-seam panels with fixation holes and punch off side parts of the panels, it makes possible to bend the edge of the panel and join it to the roof elements after. Our machine is equipped with an automation system and make production in a fully automatic mode. This process comes following way: operator of machine put end of metal roll to the pulling rollers of the machine, which moves it to the rolling part of the equipment. At the beginning of the rolling process, two pneumatic punching presses from each side of machine make side cuts of panels. After cutting, the rolling process goes to the next rolling rollers. They gradually form the roofing panel profile and cut out fixation holes with special cutting tool rollers. After rolling, special automatic shear at the end of machine cut off the panel into length with necessary sizes. As machine cuts side parts of panels at the beginning of production process, so it cuts only flat part of panel in the end of production. It makes panel quality better and there are no any deformations as with a profile cutting happens, when guillotine shear has to cut not only flat part but also the lock part of panel. Specifications: Dimensions (mm): rolling machine 3000x1400x900 guillotine shears 400x1120x1130 Weight (kg): rolling machine 643 guillotine shears: 110 Drive power: rolling machine: 1.5 kW, 220V (or 380V on request) guillotine shears: 1.1kW Maximum thickness of sheet metal (mm): 0.6-0.7mm Workpiece Width (mm): 250-700 Rolling speed (m/min): up to 10 Metal roof panel machine SLP-1 auto has an automation system so help to make minimum part of operator works - he just sets necessary number of panels and their length on the computer to produce, and the machine automatically rolls and cuts them. Therefore reducing the influence of the human factor, manufacturing errors are minimum and panels are all the same sizes and ready for further installation. SLP-1 auto click lock roll forming machine has easy width adjustment system, so to change machine from one panel width to another, the operator just needs to turn the adjustment wheel, so the readjustment takes a very short time for such operation. As additional options metal roof panel roll forming machine SLP-1 auto can have: Cutting knife to cut metal from coil at the end of the metal rolling process to reduce the amount of possible waste material; Ribbed panel rolls, to roll narrow or wide ribs in the center of the roofing snap lock panel; Iedpfx Adouzv Tzeija Microwave panel module- device to form small bends along the entire width of the roofing panel, making the appearance of the roof more interesting and eye-catching. Metal unwinder (can be floor-standing, manual console, automatic console).

Condition: good (used), Renz Punch Super 700 Perforator This machine is in very good condition. Electric drive, foot pedal control. Includes a 3:1 square perforation tool with a cutout for the hanger. Manufacturer’s description: Perforation device with a working width of up to 700 mm Designed for continuous operation and heavy loads Foot pedal-activated operation Perforation of up to 40 sheets (4.5 mm) in a single cycle Quick and easy replacement of perforation strips Available with or without a hanger cutout Two-piece strips can be used – one tool allows for perforation of both books without a hanger cutout and calendars with a hanger cutout. Requires a 3-phase, 380V power supply. Iedpfx Adoxk U Hqeisa Weight: 400 kg

Year of construction: 2007, condition: good (used), MAKE - LVD, Made in USA/BELGIUM MODEL - GLOBAL 20 1225 YEAR - 2007 CONTROL - FANUC 180I - PB CAPACITY - 20 Tons THROAT DEPTH - 1250.0 mm SHEET SIZE MAX. - 2500.0 x 1250.0 mm (1250.0 x 5000.0 mm) MAXIMUM WORK PIECE WEIGHT - 150 Kg MAXIMUM MATERIAL THICKNESS - 6.0 mm MAXIMUM TABLE SPEED - 0 – 4330.0 TURRET - 30 STATIONS, 4 AUTO-INDEXING MAXIMUM PUNCHING DIAMETER - 89.0 mm PUNCHING SPEED - 350 STROKES/MIN NIBBLING SPEED - 900 STROKES/MIN PRESS MOTOR POWER RATING - 460V 3 Phase Motor DIMENSIONS - 5560.0 x 5560.0 x 2400.0 mm Iedpfx Adeiab Epsioa WEIGHT - 16,000 Kg PLUS BRUSH TABLE VERY LOW HOURS GOOD RANGE OF TOOLING

Condition: used, total length: 1,900 mm, total width: 950 mm, total height: 1,800 mm, Empty weight: 2.150 kg Price: On request - Maximum capacity (⌀ x thickness): 28 mm x 20 mm - Strokes per minute (at 20 mm stroke): 38 - Working height: 890 mm - Largest hole (optional): 38 mm - Max. bar bending: 250 x 12 mm - Max. sheet bending: 500 x 3 mm - Max. angle cutting (90°): 130 x 13 mm - Max. angle cutting (45°): 70 x 10 mm - Notching (material thickness): 10 mm Iedpexhcfpsfx Adioa - Documentation available: No - CE marking present: Yes - CE certificate present: No - Control: Teach-in - Motor power: 7.5kW - Table width: 350mm - Throat depth: 355mm - Table length: 600mm - Ram length: 40mm - Model: Hydraulic - Max. stroke: 55mm - Power: 80.0ton - Transport dimensions: 1900mm x 950mm x 1800mm (l x w x h) - Transport weight [kg]: 2150kg - Transport packages [pcs.]: 1 Financial information VAT: The price shown is exclusive of VAT VAT/margin: VAT deductible for entrepreneurs Delivery and trade-in always possible for everything in the industrial sectors Lukas van Rossum

Condition: excellent (used), Sprossen punching machine 12 mm Used, in top condition Manufacturer: Schleicher Sprossen knife 12 mm Right extension table with stop slider Required space approx. 1100 mm x 600 mm x 1100 mm Weight approx. 65 kg Iodpfxsw Hlzts Adisa Storage location: 54634 Bitburg, loaded free, unpacked Handover in as-inspected condition, without guarantee or warranty

Condition: excellent (used), Here we offer you RIVSET self-pierce rivet system. with punch rivet pliers 9524-640-826-7 operating voltage: 400V 50 Hz rated current: 13A Main fuse: 20 A Control voltage: 24 V Signal voltage: 10 V Year of manufacture: 2011 Iedpfx Adjpfcx Isioa with Hydac cooling unit OK-EL2S/3.0/M/400-50/1 max. permissible rivet setting pressure: 250 bar max. permissible rivet setting force: 78 kN weight of the tongs: approx. 195 kg type: 9524-640-826-7 The system was for inspection at the manufacturer and is functional. Condition: used / used Scope of delivery: (See picture) (Changes and errors in the technical data, specifications are reserved!) Further questions we can answer on the phone for you.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, Simply Center Punch – The Center Marking Aid! A revolution in precision: We present the “Simply Center Punch” The world's only center marking device – an exclusive innovation from Northern Germany. The Problem No more inaccurate center marking of round parts - Are you familiar with the challenges of precisely center punching shafts or rods ranging from 15 mm up to 400 mm? - Inaccurate positioning. - Poor lighting conditions - No glasses for older users - Time-consuming manual alignment - Inefficient and error-prone processes - The market does not offer a universal and reliable solution for varying diameters. Our Solution: Simply Center Punch – A World First! Simply Center Punch: Precision made simple. - Globally unique: A center punch device / center marking aid developed and utility model protected by us, setting new industry standards. - 100% in-house development: From the first concept to the finished product – all from a single source. - Manufactured in-house: We guarantee quality "Made in Germany." - Versatile use: For diameters from 15 mm to 400 mm. - Center marking at the push of a button: Simply position, turn the handle, and mark the center. Your Advantages at a Glance Your benefits. - Maximum precision: Centers drill holes and markings with accuracy up to 0.3 mm. - Saves time and money: Speeds up your workflow and reduces rework. - Effortless handling: Intuitive operation requiring no prior experience. – Weight just 780 g. - Universally applicable: One tool for nearly all diameters in mechanical engineering, metalworking, etc. Iedpfsxb Ucaex Adiea - Robust and durable: Made from high-quality materials for professional, continuous use.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2000, Punching Press Manufacturer: EHT Type: Strippit 1500/30 Year of manufacture: 2000 CNC control: Fanuc Working area without repositioning: 2500 x 1500 mm Maximum material thickness: 8 mm Punching force: 30 t Turret with 46 tool stations, including 4 D-size index stations 3 programmable clamps Isdpfx Adsul S Eajija Metal table Exclusively used in single-shift operation Including WILSON TOOL tooling

Condition: used, MURATEC WIEDEMANN MOTORUM 2048 CNC TURRET PUNCH MACHINE MAKE MURATA WIEDEMANN, MADE IN JAPAN MODEL MOTORUM 2048 CONTROL FANUC 30i TOUCH SCREEN YEAR 2016 CAPACITY 20 TONS SHEET SIZE (WITH ONE REPOSITIONING) 1250mm x 2500mm SHEET THICKNESS MAX. 6.35 mm Y, X STOKE Y AXIS: 1360.0 mm X AXIS: 2550.0 mm PUNCHING ACCURACY +- 0.1mm THROAT DEPTH 1340.0 mm MAX ALLOWABLE SHEET WEIGHT 150 KG HIT RATE 1.0T 25 mm PITCH 8.3 mm stroke: 355 HPM 0.5 mm PITCH 1.4 mm stroke: 900 HPM SIMULTANEOUS AXIS SPEED 125 m/MIN PUNCHING ACCURACY +- 0.1 mm TURRET INDEX SPEED 35 RPM COMPRESSED AIR QUANITY: 100NL/MIN PRSSURE: 0.5 MPa POWER SUPPLY 19 kVA PLUS GOOD SET OF TOOLING Iodpfx Adexvch Toioa ONE OWNER FROM NEW VERY LESS HOURS SAFETY GUARDS

Condition: used, Grindermak 150-06 Grindermak 150-06 New Punch press tool grinder based on the Amada Togu CNC grinder Grindermak 150 06 / For sale Table Stroke/movement 180mm Distance between table and wheel (max) 230mm Z movement 0,0001-20mm Cutting wheel Diameter (max) 150mm Cutting wheel rotation 3400 D/dk Cutting wheel power 1,1kw-3000 D/dk Stroke engine (z) 400W Complete with touch screen. In stock. Iodpfx Asfuakcsdija Amada Togu / Trumpf quick sharp type grinder / Quick grind / Quick set / Quick load/

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, FOR SALE: BRUDERER BSTA 60 High-Speed Stamping Press With Automatic Strip Feeder BBV 300/200 600 kN | 100–800 spm | Fully automatic | Top-tier Swiss quality Technical Highlights: Nominal force: 600 kN Stroke rate: 100–800 strokes per minute Max. feed length: 200 mm. Year: Unknown (No ID Plate) / Tested under power: 2025 Drive power: 30 Hp Control voltage: 24V AC Power connection: 440VAC / 50Hz Adjustable stroke: 20 / 25 / 31 / 38 / 45 /51 / 58 / 64 / 70 / 76 mm Shut/Ram height adjustment: 80 mm Working Dimensions: Max tool installation width: 620 mm Isdpsxz Ugxefx Adioa Strip pass width: up to 320 mm Ram area: 800 × 500 mm Table area: 620 × 680 mm Max strip width: 300 mm Max feeding pitch: 200 mm Max material thickness: 6 mm Feeding angle: 180 Deg Machine Dimensions: Machine footprint (L × W × H): 2210 × 2075 × 2190 mm Weight (approx.): 8,000 kg Equipment Includes: Feeder BBV 300 – fully synchronized mechanical strip feeder system Integrated control cabinet Pneumatic clutch and brake Adjustable stroke and shut height Compressed air connection: 6–10 bar Oil cooling unit included Ready for integration with peripheral systems Machine in excellent technical and visual condition Fully tested Immediate availability from Europe Worldwide shipping available Contact us today for pricing and further technical details. Let us help you upgrade your production line with Swiss precision engineering.

Condition: excellent (used), Here we offer you RIVSET self-pierce rivet system. with punch riveter operating voltage: 400V 50 Hz rated current: 12A Main fuse: 35 A control voltage: 24 V Isdpspfcx Sefx Adioa signal voltage: 0-10 V with Hydac cooling unit OK-EL2S/3.0/M/400-50/1 max. permissible rivet setting pressure: 250 bar max. permissible rivet setting force: 78 kN weight of the tongs: approx. 279 kg year of manufacture: 2012 Type: 9524-640-824-5 The system was for inspection at the manufacturer and is functional. Condition: used / used Scope of delivery: (See picture) (Changes and errors in the technical data, specifications are reserved!) Further questions we can answer on the phone for you.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Fabrication line for production of metal racks 14 stations: double driven Axle Ø 80 mm station lt;- station: 400 mm adjustable centerdistance axles: min 100mm; max 280mm max feedingwidth: 780 mm max thickness: 3 mm steel Including: - Colombo excenter Press 100 ton for punching Stroke: 150 mm 16.5 hp Table: 600 x 1000 mm Stroke/min: adjustable from 30 - 90 str/ min - 4 column press on rails acting as flying shear Table 400 x 400 mm - Unloading table Work mode: Roll forming unit Material thickness x width: W 780 mm Max Numbre of sections: 14 stations axle Ø80mm PUNCHING MACHINE: Punching press Isdpfx Aoxuwyuodioa CUTTING DEVICE: Flying Shear Conveyor: Yes

Condition: good (used), Profile steel shears, profile shears, punch, punching machine, hole punch, hydraulic flat/profile and bar steel shears -Manufacturer: Mubea, hydraulic profile steel shears type HPSN 350 -Drive: hydraulic -Pressure force: 35 tons Ijdpfx Adefndy Noiea -Equipment: large support table with stops for punching -Punching -scissors -Cut -Notch -various punches and dies -Dimensions: 1460/1700/H1690 mm -Weight: 1080kg

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1996, Immediately available from site: CNC Punching – Nibbling Machine Trumpf Model: TC 500 R SM 1306 Year of manufacture: 1996 Operating hours: 81,000 CNC control: Sinumerik 840 D TrumagraphCC 220 S Working area: 2535 x 1280 mm Punching force: 22 tons Iodpfxexy N Uhs Adija Sheet thickness up to 8 mm Workpiece weight up to 150 kg Max. positioning speed (simultaneous X – Y axis): 108 m/min Continuous C-axis rotation: 360 degrees Maximum stroke rate: 900 strokes/min Max. number of tools: 18 Automation components: Standard configuration CheetMaster 1306 Sheet Master Grip Master Cassette with multitool for numbers 0 – 9 Cassette with multitool for diameters 1.0/2.0/3.0/4.0/5.0/6.0 mm Each 1 cassette with thread former M3, M4, M5, M6 Truma Grip Truma Sort L Chip conveyor with container Equipment: Multitool actuation Thread forming function Marking function Slitting function 3 clamps Scratch arm machining Small part sensor with part chute Part blowing device Pneumatic follow-up cylinders Softpunch Memory expansion to 256 KB Vibration-damped installation Supplied tools: Multitool 6-station Multitool 12-station Price: €8,000.00 ex site, plus VAT Alternatively, price: €12,000.00 plus VAT, including dismantling, removal, and loading

Condition: used, Automatic High Quality Grinding Automatic High Quality Grinding Machine Type : Other All punch operators know the importance of tool maintenance on part quality and tool life. The AMADA TOGU is the solution; an automatic tool grinder design specifically for high quality grinding of sheet metal tooling. Unmanned operation Simple operator control Quick, reliable grinding of all standard tooling Supplied with jigs for shear angle grinding Restores tooling to optimum condition resulting in high quality parts Enables regular regrinding to maximise tool life USED AMADA AUTOMATIC TOOL GRINDER MODEL TOGU-III MACHINE SPECIFICATIONS Model ……………. TOGU-III Max. Diameter Tool Size ……………. 6.30 Max. Grinding …………… .039” Main Axis Motor …………… 2 H.P. 2 P Main Axis Rotation Speed ………….. 3000R.P.M. (60Hz) Main Axis Travel …………… 9.45” Main Axis Feed Motor …………….. DC Servo Motor (0.05 H.P.) Main Axis Feed Speed-High ………… 23.6 I.P.M. Main Axis Feed Speed-Middle ………. 2.36 I.P.M. Main Axis Feed Speed-Low …………. 0.002 I.P.M. Table Motor ……………. 0.134 H.P. 4P Table Rotation Speed …………… 72 R.P.M. (60Hz) Cooling Water Pump Motor ………….. 0.08 H.P. 2P Cooling Water Pump Flow …………… 0.9 CFM (60 Hz) Machine Weight …………….. 1,058 lbs Power Supply …………….. AC220V 3 Phase 2.5 kVA (Transformer Used Outside 220v Area) Air Supply …………… 60 C.F.M. Grinding Wheel …………….. CBN 5.31 Benefits: Fast and Easy to Use Fully automated machine Unmanned grinding cycle Easy operation – load ᐳ inputᐳ start Programmable re-grind amount High Quality Finish Automatic feed of wheel prevents tool burn Automatic grinding wheel dress indication Excellent surface finish Safe Unique safety locking system ensures operator safety Visual operation/standby indication Coolant and Filtration System Automatic coolant application prevents tool burn High quality finish maintained by filtration of coolant liquid Isdpfxefuai Uo Adija

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2000, Model ... Vipros 20-50-50 Frame Construction ... Bridge Type Press Capacity ... 20 Tonnes (196kN) Press Type ... Servo Controlled Hydraulic Ram Axis Traverse Distance ... 1270 mm x 1270 mm Workable Max. Sheet Size . 1270 mm x 2540 mm Iodpfx Adextu Nwoiea (with auto repositioning) Maximum Material Thickness ... 6.35 mm Mild Steel Max. Material Weight ... 105 Kg Max. Material Weight (Max Speed) ... 62 Kg Max. Hole Dia. ... 88.9 mm Number Of Stations ... 31 Stations: 19 x 12.7 mm 6 x 31.7 mm 1 x 50.8 mm 2 x 88.9 mm Auto Index 2 x 31.7 mm 1 x 50.8 mm Axis Speed ... 82 m/min Hits Per Minute (2mm Pitch) ... 1000 H.P.M./2.5mm Stroke (25.4mm Pitch) ... 340 H.P.M./8mm Stroke Turret Speed Bi-Directional ... 35 R.P.M. Punching Accuracy ... ± 0.07 mm Punching Accuracy (High Accuracy Mode) ... ± 0.05 mm Repeatability ... ± 0.015 mm Ram Stroke Length (Maximum) ... 40 mm Axis Drive ... AC Servo Motor Turret Drive ... AC Servo Motor Electric Power Required ... 22 kVA 400V +/- 10% 50 Hz Air Pressure Required ... 5.0 kgf/cm² Air Flow ... 250 1/min Machine Length ... 5030 mm Machine Width ... 2630 mm Machine Height ... 2160 mm Machine Weight ... 9200 kg NC SPECIFICATION Model of NC ... FANUC 18-P Axis ... 3 Axis Simultaneous + PHNC Tape Code ... EIA or ISO (Automatic Recognition) Programming Mode ... Absolute/incremental Min. Input ... 0.01 mm (0.01°) Max. Input ... 99999.99 mm Preparatory Function ... G - 2 Digit T Function ... T - 3 Digit M Function ... M - 3 Digit Single Block ... Yes Block Delete ... Yes Optional Stop ... Yes Editing ... Yes Manual Data Input ... Yes Memory Capacity ... 64 Kb No. Of Programs ... 200 Machine Operation ... Memory Interface ... RS 232 C

Condition: excellent (used), Here we offer you RIVSET self-pierce rivet system. with punch rivet pliers 9524-640-826-7 operating voltage: 400V 50 Hz Isdpfx Adopgulajija rated current: 13A Main fuse: 20 A Control voltage: 24 V Signal voltage: 10 V year of manufacture: 2011 max. permissible rivet setting pressure: 250 bar max. permissible rivet setting force: 78 kN weight of the tongs: approx. 195 kg type: 9524-640-826-7 The system was for inspection at the manufacturer and is functional. Condition: used / used Scope of delivery: (See picture) (Changes and errors in the technical data, specifications are reserved!) Further questions we can answer on the phone for you.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2004, Immediately available from Swiss operation: CNC Punch – Nibbling Machine Boschert Type TWIN 750 CNC/Z Year of manufacture: 2004 Working area: 810 x 1500 mm Sheet length with repositioning up to 9999 mm Table: 750 x 3500 mm Revotol 6 Hydraulic punching force: 28 tons Max. workpiece weight: 200 kg Strokes/min: 250 Ijdpfx Adexy N Ubeiea Strokes/min with fast cycling: 800 X-axis speed: 60 m/min Y-axis speed: 30 m/min Simultaneous X & Y-axis speed: 67 m/min Trumpf tooling Accuracy: plus/minus 0.05 mm Connection: 4.8 / 11 kW Complete tooling included Weight: 11.5 tons Price: EUR 9,000.– plus VAT ex location

Year of construction: 1997, condition: good (used), Used fully serviced and good condition Trumpf 500r cnc punch press for sale TRUMPF TRUMATIC T500R Large format rotation cnc punch press for sale Fully serviced Machine capable of taking multi tool Complete with tool holders and tools including multi tools Complete with Retractable clamps 3metre x 1.5metre sheet without reposition. Isdjhtfp Tepfx Adioa Additional extras with the machine: Cabinet full of tooling Multitool Multiset – tool setter Quickload Quick sharp tool grinder Trumpf TC 500R Turret Punch 3000 X 1500mm large format machine 1600 throat x 3metre rail. TRUMPF TRUMATIC 500 CNC PUNCH WITH CONTROL & AIR TABLE CAPACITY: 220KN SERIAL YEAR: 1997

Year of construction: 2001, condition: excellent (used), Quality used Trumpf Trumatic 500R CNC Punch Press for sale Isdpfjh Nf Upex Adisa A late Trumpf 500 just before the 5000r 2.5metre x 1250mm sheet metal before reposition 1300mm throat New / Year 2001 Fully serviced With manuals Good condition and be seen working in production Complete with: · Capable of taking multi tool a good selection of tooling available along with multi tools

Year of construction: 2000, condition: excellent (used), very clean / low hours used Trumpf Trumatic 500R CNC Punch Press for sale 2.5metre x 1250mm sheet metal before reposition Isdpfx Ajng Al Aedioa 1300mm throat New / Year 2000 Fully serviced With manuals Good condition and can be seen working in production Complete with: